David Moyes

[Cods]

Be interesting to see how the dynamic between owners and manager holds up.

Moyes (and his pet Neville) annoyed the fuck out of me in the first spell because it was all about how grateful we should be to see Everton top 7 and in Europe whilst constantly playing us down as a club despite our stature in the game. It's why that great team with some excellent players are remembered ultimately for winning absolutely nothing and when you look back... We didn't even come close.

That was easy to do when Kenwright was running the club. Are the Friedkins going to buy into a "Knife to a gunfight" mentality? Will they be happy with stagnation? Will they accept not getting near a trophy? Obviously we've got some way to go before that's even an issue but 2 and a half years can be a long time and I'm not sure Moyes & Friedkin is the most cohesive partnership in that regard.

Interesting thought around the new relationship.

I think (hope) that theyll be realistic, like with Roma they'll know that success hasn't, and won't be, quick and easy. Not an easy fix and flip.

They'll surely be aware it's largely a battle of financial clout, proper organisation, with some +/- variation. And that running to stand still (with a sizeable time-handicap) is what we're up against.

I doubt their expectations will be title in 3 years time. Maybe Europe if they put in what they'll need to put in, and things go according to plan.

They'll also be aware they're still a bit green in the industry and will know Moyes isn't here just because he once had a stint here and is available, it's also experience from everywhere else he's been.

And that there's at least some dovetailing with Moyes' playing style, shifting slightly more progressive than current, rather than the night and day changes to playing style we've seen in the past.

This appointment is still mostly about ensuring their asset isn't significantly devalued over the next 5-6 months.

I think the biggest factor they'll have to negotiate is despite all wanting the same thing, the significant regression we've seen over 40 years, and the management of fans acceptance that we're not likely to get near a trophy any time soon, which is a shame, but also a reality to most clubs above our position in the pyramid.

From here, 7th would be magnificent.

[Goaljira]

From here, 7th would be magnificent.

DVD worthy.

[TrevorSteven]

Signing David Moyes is a worrying signal from our new owners.

Do they not have any visions for the future? It's easy to understand that this appointment is all about an history and a past. A history that the Friedkin group has not been a part of. So who is actually pulling the strings here? I do not understand it. Marcel Brands talked about some kind of the same problem under Moshiri. David Moyes for sure can't be the Friedkins ideas and I can't understand it being Thelwells either.

There are no football strategy at this club and I can't comprehend why our new owners accept to go down that road. It's hard to admit that but look at Liverpool who managed to replace Klopp with Arne Slot that most of football fans didn't even know who was. But if you look at his stats and data, if you break down his philosophy you will see that he is good. They managed to do that. Bournemouth has managed to do that. Brightons done that quite some times - while at Everton we are just stucked in our past randomly choosing a name that sounds well in the history books of our club.

We have to get professional soon

[AllyBlue14]

Signing David Moyes is a worrying signal from our new owners.

Do they not have any visions for the future? It's easy to understand that this appointment is all about an history and a past. A history that the Friedkin group has not been a part of. So who is actually pulling the strings here? I do not understand it. Marcel Brands talked about some kind of the same problem under Moshiri. David Moyes for sure can't be the Friedkins ideas and I can't understand it being Thelwells either.

There are no football strategy at this club and I can't comprehend why our new owners accept to go down that road. It's hard to admit that but look at Liverpool who managed to replace Klopp with Arne Slot that most of football fans didn't even know who was. But if you look at his stats and data, if you break down his philosophy you will see that he is good. They managed to do that. Bournemouth has managed to do that. Brightons done that quite some times - while at Everton we are just stucked in our past randomly choosing a name that sounds well in the history books of our club.

We have to get professional soon

So, who's the alternative?

[Deano Blue Boy]

Now the question begs, is Alan Irvine coming back

[toffee_scot]

Signing David Moyes is a worrying signal from our new owners.

Do they not have any visions for the future? It's easy to understand that this appointment is all about an history and a past. A history that the Friedkin group has not been a part of. So who is actually pulling the strings here? I do not understand it. Marcel Brands talked about some kind of the same problem under Moshiri. David Moyes for sure can't be the Friedkins ideas and I can't understand it being Thelwells either.

There are no football strategy at this club and I can't comprehend why our new owners accept to go down that road. It's hard to admit that but look at Liverpool who managed to replace Klopp with Arne Slot that most of football fans didn't even know who was. But if you look at his stats and data, if you break down his philosophy you will see that he is good. They managed to do that. Bournemouth has managed to do that. Brightons done that quite some times - while at Everton we are just stucked in our past randomly choosing a name that sounds well in the history books of our club.

We have to get professional soon

“In order to move forward we need to look backwards”

- The Everton Way

[TheRam]

“Never go back”

He did go back to West Ham and smashed it.

Thinking positively, if moyes does well initially then he has shown he’s able to build on that and create a consistent team. There was never a huge drop off in results at West Ham even if the performance level wasn’t there.

As always, the most interesting thing for me is what he does with the players.

Who comes in from the cold, who is dropped etc.

Does he go with obrien, will Patterson play, what does he do with Doucoure as he loves that type of midfielder, what does he do with the wide players, lindstrom seems a bit of a moyes type winger, where does McNeil fit in, can he get something out of Harrison.

For me, there’s five nailed on starters in that squad. Pickford, Brathwaite, mangala, Gana and ndyaie. The rest is up for grabs.

[toffee_scot]

He managed Ashley Young at Man Utd so I can imagine he will continue to feature quite heavily, as well as Seamus Coleman when fit.

[TrevorSteven]

So, who's the alternative?

Thats a good question Ally. And a question that I would like the club to know the best answer to.

I´ve already pointed out Sebastian Hoeneß myself. Reason: He took over Stuttgart in the end of the 2022-23 season and saved them from relegation by getting instant results while implementing a progressive, high pressing, intense and possession based game. In 2023-204 season he went on and finished 2nd just behind Alonsos Leverkusen without splashing the cash but through shrewd signings.

For me there are so many similarities between Stuttgart and Everton so it felt quite natural that we would have explored that opportunity. Signing David Moyes sends a signal that we actually haven't done any kind of exploration.We just went for a familiar name. I get this feeling that Everton has no knowledge about players or managers around the world.

[MmmBlueBranthwaite]

He managed Ashley Young at Man Utd so I can imagine he will continue to feature quite heavily, as well as Seamus Coleman when fit.

Lazy assumptions

[kramer]

I have a feeling Patterson goes right back to the bench. No way Moyes is trusting him defensively. Maybe he finds his way in as an experimental right winger. Wouldn’t expect O'Brien either unless there’s a shock pivot to a pack three which I would consider unlikely.

Think the team will largely be unchanged with Doucoure probably first up to have a crack at the spot behind the striker.

McNeil comes straight in on the right when he’s fit again and there might be some experimenting with whether he starts right, central, or left.

The main differences I expect are attacking mids getting closer to DCLs knockdowns and better coordination of counter attacks so we actually know how to work advantages on the break (yes, they had better attackers but his West Ham sides have consistently been pretty lethal on the break).

Would also guess that he’s one training session away from demanding that we look at fullback options in the transfer market. He won’t trust Patterson defensively but he’ll also know that he can’t get away with both Mykolenko and Young offering nothing in attack. I could also see us exploring a move for a hardworking attacking midfielder who arrives late in the box, a younger Doucoure would be an easy lock but not sure he’s up to it anymore.

Basically, I am expecting slightly tweaked Dycheball until the end of the season which is probably about right for survival. Scoff if you like but it worked fine last season. We really only need to add a modest number of goals to go on a run and give ourselves some breathing room.

It’s tough. I don’t think Dyche was horribly far off the approach that would’ve gotten us over the line but the comprehensive lack of threat in attack recently really did give the feeling that the was out of ideas which seems to be corroborated by some of the reporting on the sacking. Again, would’ve loved for him to just see this season out but here we are.

If Moyes gives us just a little bit to work with in the attacking third, even if it’s only a pattern where a fullback knows they can safely make an overlapping run to open the angle for a cross and multiple attacking mids know the ball is coming into the box, would go a long way for us. Our crossing has been from such poor positions and we never get numbers in the box due to the uncertainty of when and from where the ball is arriving. We need to have a few moments where we know that taking the attacking risk is worthwhile, Moyes sides usually have that.

[Lazarou II]

2 1/2 year contract, more than I was expecting.

He's probably still got his old tactical fag packet stuck down some couch somewhere. His old bottle of Rioja in the wine rack.

It all makes perfect sense now

[Toddacelli]

Fucking hell, more than Arne Slot and Postecoglu, well and loads of others. Think that's about the 5th highest paid manager in the league if true. I know Dyche was comparable, but I'm not sure that makes it right.

David Moyes has reached an agreement to become the next Everton manager, according to Alan Nixon.

The newspaper journalist reported on his Patreon account on 10 January that the Scotsman will be earning £12.5million and bonuses as he’s penned a two-year deal.

This was another reason to get a hipster up and coming manager. We really need to reset wage expectations at the club - and contracts. It’s a huge part of why we’re in such a financial mess because if you look at the last 7 years we’ve spent less than we’ve earned on transfers so this is where the money has gone.

He would have had a great negotiating position though. We needed him and the cost and also the length of contract was what it took to get him here.

So much for the stuff we heard the other day about Everton no longer being a soft touch.

[The Doc]

When we're fighting for survival 4th season in a row, and our current/previous manager is on that wage, our negotiating position is weak.

I would rather have a younger, attacking/press minded manager to build something new. But I also recognise the situation is precarious. Above all we need to survive relegation or worst case scenario we never come back up.

Moyes, with this squad, his experience, his skillset, probably seems the safest bet. Probably the same reasons we appointed Dyche in the first place, but by far a better manager.

[Toddacelli]

When we're fighting for survival 4th season in a row, and our current/previous manager is on that wage, our negotiating position is weak.

I would rather have a younger, attacking/press minded manager to build something new. But I also recognise the situation is precarious. Above all we need to survive relegation or worst case scenario we never come back up.

Moyes, with this squad, his experience, his skillset, probably seems the safest bet. Probably the same reasons we appointed Dyche in the first place, but by far a better manager.

Yeah. I’m not disagreeing with the appointment or the factors in making this decision. I am saying it does not address something we need to address at some point - maybe with the next managerial appointment?