David Moyes

[StirlingBlue]

I’ve worked myself around to being excited by this appointment, I think he’s got a point to prove and in two to three years we’ll be back in the top ten, in a new stadium and have our financial problems behind us and able to make a push if the owners want to back us with funds.

I can see him using Ndiaye off the striker a la Cahill and using Myko/Patterson as a one defensive one attacking fullback pair similar to Hibbert and Baines. Patterson bombing down the right whilst McNeil cuts in from RM onto his left where he’s most dangerous.
Harrison as a head down LM driving to the line and crossing.

It’s not modern or sexy but coached well it’s enough to start us moving in the right direction.

[NickNack]

Yeah. I’m not disagreeing with the appointment or the factors in making this decision. I am saying it does not address something we need to address at some point - maybe with the next managerial appointment?

We definitely do need to sort it but we don’t really know the full details yet, if we ever find out. There may be performance related clauses or any number of things that wouldn’t have happened under Moshiri. After what happened with Dyche I can’t see the TFG just bending over, I’d be very disappointed if that’s the case.

[StirlingBlue]

A bit of tactical analysis on his West Ham side in their best season, can see him aiming for similar here.

https://themastermindsite.com/2022/04/2 ... s-2021-22/

[Raptor]

So, who's the alternative?

You could get a job on our board with that attitude. I'm pretty sure with a salary of 6m a year you could take your pick of most managers in the world.
Would Iraloa of liked a rise from 1m to 6m, I bet he would, so the question is more, when you have the pick of every manager, why Moyes? It's Moyes because it's really lazy, that's why it's Moyes

[AjaxAndy]

Signing David Moyes is a worrying signal from our new owners.

Do they not have any visions for the future? It's easy to understand that this appointment is all about an history and a past. A history that the Friedkin group has not been a part of. So who is actually pulling the strings here? I do not understand it. Marcel Brands talked about some kind of the same problem under Moshiri. David Moyes for sure can't be the Friedkins ideas and I can't understand it being Thelwells either.

There are no football strategy at this club and I can't comprehend why our new owners accept to go down that road. It's hard to admit that but look at Liverpool who managed to replace Klopp with Arne Slot that most of football fans didn't even know who was. But if you look at his stats and data, if you break down his philosophy you will see that he is good. They managed to do that. Bournemouth has managed to do that. Brightons done that quite some times - while at Everton we are just stucked in our past randomly choosing a name that sounds well in the history books of our club.

We have to get professional soon

Understand where you're coming from but Ireola didn't win any of his first 11 games in charge of Bournemouth. If you bring someone young and sexy in with a progressive style and the players can't do it or it takes time to adjust you may already be down by the time it clicks (if it does at all).

I'd rather we'd done something different, don't get me wrong, but Moyes and this group of players makes a lot of sense. It's safety first but I'm not sure there was any other way right now.

[AjaxAndy]

You could get a job on our board with that attitude. I'm pretty sure with a salary of 6m a year you could take your pick of most managers in the world.
Would Iraloa of liked a rise from 1m to 6m, I bet he would, so the question is more, when you have the pick of every manager, why Moyes? It's Moyes because it's really lazy, that's why it's Moyes

Because you'd probably have to pay £10m compensation for Ireola and he might not even want to come. As I mentioned above he also took a 1/4 of a season (actually slightly more) to even win a game at Bournemouth, which if he struggled to implement his ideas here in the same way we'd be relegated.

He'd be someone I'd have wanted should we have got through to the summer but he was never a realistic shout for right now.

[The Doc]

What type of players would you say we needed to add to get close to this?

[Raptor]

Because you'd probably have to pay £10m compensation for Ireola and he might not even want to come. As I mentioned above he also took a 1/4 of a season (actually slightly more) to even win a game at Bournemouth, which if he struggled to implement his ideas here in the same way we'd be relegated.

He'd be someone I'd have wanted should we have got through to the summer but he was never a realistic shout for right now.

Ireola was really irrelevant in what I was trying to say, the point was more, who isn't there. We had the choice of hundreds of managers and we chose the lazy option. Yes, it might've delayed appointing someone by a week while we negotiated with their current club, but there were hundreds of options.
If you wanted an out of work manager, Ten Hag would be more appealing, I'm sure he would've been up for it and a point to prove, but this notion of who else is there, is so short sighted, yet something we have come accustomed to

[Escalator]

You could get a job on our board with that attitude. I'm pretty sure with a salary of 6m a year you could take your pick of most managers in the world.
Would Iraloa of liked a rise from 1m to 6m, I bet he would, so the question is more, when you have the pick of every manager, why Moyes? It's Moyes because it's really lazy, that's why it's Moyes

Think it’s a bit premature to be condemning the board already particularly as we don’t even know whose on it yet ?

[Raptor]

Think it’s a bit premature to be condemning the board already particularly as we don’t even know whose on it yet ?

Possible, but you can only react to what they have done so far, and imo it's less than impressive, but the positive is, they have set the bar so low now that the only way is up, hopefully.

[Bob Sacamano]

The fans and a boardroom approach this in an entirely different way. If I were in their position I’d probably go for Moyes too.

I was thinking what do you do if you acquired a club 1pt above relegation with a 6month plan in mind to pull away from relegation and move to a new stadium, but when your manager basically quits during what’s basically your first meeting? Do you risk a big Marco Silva type drama trying to get someone from another club? They also have their own strategy and you approaching their manager is as much as a ballache to them as Dyche quitting. Maybe more of a ballache.

Then of you have a business of comparable size and also pulling in 1pt per game and heading south you can learn from that experience. You appoint an experienced steady hand and that decision takes you up to mid table. I think as a new owner managing this risk in a similar fashion to how you managed Roma makes perfect sense.

[AllyBlue14]

Thats a good question Ally. And a question that I would like the club to know the best answer to.

I´ve already pointed out Sebastian Hoeneß myself. Reason: He took over Stuttgart in the end of the 2022-23 season and saved them from relegation by getting instant results while implementing a progressive, high pressing, intense and possession based game. In 2023-204 season he went on and finished 2nd just behind Alonsos Leverkusen without splashing the cash but through shrewd signings.

For me there are so many similarities between Stuttgart and Everton so it felt quite natural that we would have explored that opportunity. Signing David Moyes sends a signal that we actually haven't done any kind of exploration.We just went for a familiar name. I get this feeling that Everton has no knowledge about players or managers around the world.

I can't say I know much about him but he does sound ideal. The problem remains, though, that he doesn't know the league and that would make it a massive gamble for me. At the start of the season, it'd be worth that gamble, but it's too much of a risk when our position is so perilous.

[AllyBlue14]

Ireola was really irrelevant in what I was trying to say, the point was more, who isn't there. We had the choice of hundreds of managers and we chose the lazy option. Yes, it might've delayed appointing someone by a week while we negotiated with their current club, but there were hundreds of options.
If you wanted an out of work manager, Ten Hag would be more appealing, I'm sure he would've been up for it and a point to prove, but this notion of who else is there, is so short sighted, yet something we have come accustomed to

You say lazy, I'd say sensible. And, let's face it, TFG want to protect their investment as much as possible - if they push the boat out too much with their first appointment, it could be catastrophic. Moyes doesn't necessarily guarantee safety, but he's a sensible appointment - as was Dyche - considering the circumstances.

You can't complain of short-sightedness and then come up with ten Hag - another United cast-off - as a solution! Point to prove usually means they've fucked up somewhere else, so I'd rather not take the risk of hoping they get it right with us.

[Robioto]

[MmmBlueBranthwaite]

Confirmed. Welcome back Davie.