David Moyes

[Evertonian418]

We need to get behind as we can't dis every manager we get.

[Lazarou II]

I can't say I am particularly excited, but I will get behind the young fella and support his appointment.

We just need to be in the PL when we go to BMD, that's all that matters then maybe we can actually start moving forward.

Fair play on no fucking about by TFG.

And they did get rid of Dyche.

[Sirblue57]

Not the most appealing decisions. Bit,when you compare him to dyche, that's not lazy. It's pathetic. Look at their dealing in the transfer market,for all his faults we had regular European football under.Moyes . But people gotta hate eh?

[Deano Blue Boy]

He doesn't like working with DoFs does he?

[Paddockoldie]

As usual, a good, measured post from BD who i know didn't want Moyes, but as he's explained, in this situation he ticks all our needs boxes. I just want us safe before we depart our spiritual home and then it's about change. If Moyes doesn't deliver at least hope for better times, they'll sack him. They do this as shown. All get behind him and let's purge the days of Dycheball. COYFBB!!!

[Raptor]

New username but still the same boring Waltzer.

What's the fascination/obsession/relevance of this as you've posted it about 30 times now, if it means that much to you would you like me to change it?

[777Kidnappings]

Also while he's probably not anyone's first choice there's also not really any standout choices either. Even the popular 1s like Potter and Frank would have been risky and in reality probably weren't particularly interested either

I think people forget where we are and have been for a number of years. I'm not sure we could have even attracted moyes but for his history with us. He's certainly not beneath us

[AllyBlue14]

It really isn’t.

In terms of people who have managed in the premier league over the last couple of moyes is easily the most comparable to dyche.

We will see largely the same type of football, in the same type of system. Just have to hope moyes does it better.

Of course, they're both more pragmatic/defensively-minded than many other managers. But it's too broad brush to say it'll be the same kind of football - there's more nuance than that. With this squad, it has become clear over several seasons that this approach is likely our best bet - we're not going to play our way out of trouble.

I didn't have the same issues with Dyche as most on here seemed to, it was just obvious by the end that everyone needed the change. Hopefully, Moyes can add more of an attacking threat but, if anything, I see it as a positive that there wouldn't be a massive shift in style for what is a pretty limited squad.

[toffee_scot]

He doesn't like working with DoFs does he?

Supposedly, but at present it looks like Thelwell will leave the club unless TFG want to give him a new contract, they might even review the DoF role itself and how it should work especially regarding working alongside the manager. The current iteration of that role was created under Moshiri and we know that hasn’t performed harmoniously with the 3 DoFs and 7 managers we’ve had since the structure was first implemented.

Moyes was quick to accept the managerial role here so it would be interesting to know what TFG said about working with a DoF. I don’t know though if Thelwell has had much input on the Moyes signing or if he even spoke to him in the past couple of days.

[Trowel]

I like the thought of Moyes in charge of the final Goodison derby on a noisy midweek evening.

[Bluedylan1]

Fantastic analysis piece from Andy Hunter -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... to-everton

The prospect of David Moyes returning as Everton manager was met with an almost snobbish disdain when mooted twice before. It illustrates the diverging fortunes of the Scot and the club that the welcome mat has been laid out third time around.

Moyes was close to becoming Everton manager again in December 2019, after Marco Silva’s reign had come to an unceremonious end. He held talks with Farhad Moshiri in Germany and expected to sign terms the following day, only for Napoli to make Carlo Ancelotti available by sacking him that night. A genuine sliding doors moment. Moshiri went for the superstar option. Moyes joined West Ham for the second time, where his contentment and success meant he could resist Everton’s advances when they came again in June 2021. Moshiri turned to Rafael Benítez instead. Moving on swiftly …

On both occasions there was resistance to Moyes’s return among many Evertonians. There were legitimate reasons. Everton had moved on. You should never go back. Everton had new money, fresh ambition and did not need a manager who failed to win a trophy in 11 years at Goodison Park. They could get Ancelotti, for goodness sake. Moyes had let his final Everton contract expire before joining Manchester United for no compensation. He tried to sign Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines on the cheap. At least he’s careful with a club’s money.

That was then. Everton’s ambition right now under the new ownership of The Friedkin Group (TFG) is to avoid relegation before relocating to a magnificent stadium at Bramley-Moore dock. That’s it. And they needed a manager who was available immediately, knows the Premier League intimately and is well equipped to work with a squad built by Sean Dyche. There is no grand overhaul of the team and playing style on the horizon. Premier League profitability and sustainability rules prohibit TFG from doing so.

It is an added bonus for the owners that Moyes also knows Everton intimately and will restore values lost during the chaotic years of Moshiri. Dyche did promote discipline, hard graft and financial common sense but Moyes offers far more as a managerial package, as his work at West Ham testifies. The 61-year-old cannot be the only person to have wondered what might have been for Everton had he spent the fortunes allocated to Ronald Koeman, Sam Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti.

Dyche did an excellent job of keeping Everton afloat in extreme and unprecedented circumstances. Twice. He walked through the door in January 2023 as Anthony Gordon was walking out to Newcastle for a £45m fee that went towards covering day-to-day losses, not back into the squad. The pattern of selling the best talent predated Dyche’s time at Everton and continued under him.

There was an absentee owner as Moshiri looked to sell up to all manner of buyers, including the potential car crash that was 777 Partners. There was no recognisable board of directors to speak of after the mass resignations of June 2023. The former chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale and chief finance officer Grant Ingles had been in place during the period when Everton breached PSR. Dyche was not, but he had to mop up the consequences when Everton were deducted eight points last season for two breaches. A significant part of the second charge relating to stadium interest payments is unresolved. Everton would have finished 12th last season, below Brighton on goal difference, but for the punishments that almost derailed the team’s momentum and tested Dyche’s single-mindedness to the limit. It was, he later admitted, the toughest season of his managerial career.

Dyche preserved Everton’s Premier League status at a time when the club’s ability to continue as a going concern was in doubt, according to its auditors. Administration would have been a genuine possibility had the club been relegated in 2023 or 2024. He staved it off while reducing the wage bill and having a negative net transfer spend. Since 2022-23, when the taps were turned off under Moshiri, Everton are the only Premier League club with a negative net outlay on transfers, at £79m.

The stable platform that TFG seeks to build upon is in no small part thanks to the manager it has just sacked. But that is not to say it was wrong to do so, or that all of the above praise puts Dyche beyond reproach. In many ways he gave the new owners no alternative.

A considerable amount of nonsense has been said and written about the decision to sack Dyche hours before Thursday’s FA Cup tie against Peterborough. The former Everton winger Andros Townsend’s claim that it represents “major, major red flags long-term for this new ownership group” is among that. The manager of a team one point above the relegation zone with half a season played, when asked what support he needed in January to improve the situation, intimated to his new employers that he had taken the team as far as he could. Results and performances back that up. But results and performances did not cost Dyche his job, as bad as they were.

TFG felt his attitude had changed after losses to Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth extended Everton’s dismal run to one win in 11 league games. It was, it felt, a resigned attitude tantamount to resigning, an argument Dyche rejected. It was compelled to act with Everton in another relegation battle months before the relocation to Bramley-Moore dock. The timing of his exit was poor but was the result of TFG refusing to meet Dyche’s compensation demands of the final six months of his contract plus bonuses. And this season has been abysmal. Dyche likes to claim that expectations grew this season purely on account of it being the final one at Goodison Park. He is the only person to espouse that theory.

“I’ve handled it pretty bloody well I think,” said Dyche of his Everton blows on Tuesday, when payoff talks were under way. “So now, can I go and win some games? Can we take it on another level? Can I change the narrative? Can I reinvent what we’re trying to do to take it on another level?” The answers were no, no, no and no and, despite public utterances to the contrary, he had indicated as much to TFG. What else was TFG to do? Everton’s new owners want stability but also to build a platform for a competitive, successful future. Moyes can be that man again.

[Escalator]

What's the fascination/obsession/relevance of this as you've posted it about 30 times now, if it means that much to you would you like me to change it?

I’m on here pretty much every day and it was news to me, must have missed the other 30 times ?

[Raptor]

I’m on here pretty much every day and it was news to me, must have missed the other 30 times ?

He does it enough, but anyway I'm not sure of the relevance or why, don't see him doing it to others?

[Gash]

I see this is aimed at me, and I get it. I was/am unsure on TFG. You can't argue with the financial assistant they have given us, it's literally life saving for us as a club, but you also need to judge them on decisions they make.
They're on their 4th manager in 18 months at Roma, all have been appointed really quick, is that success, or not, id say no.
I suppose my biggest gripe is that it isn't the transformational appointment I was hoping for, I get the whole pragmatism around the appointment, I honestly do, but it's also really unambitious, but maybe I'm wrong for wanting more?
Despite winning something at West ham they couldn't wait to get rid, it is telling. I just find it really lazy, that's all, id be amazed if Moyes was at a club we would go to any effort to negotiate his release, we simply wouldn't, and there's a reason why.
He'll get my backing as I want Everton to succeed, but it doesn't mean I have to like the appointment or agree with it, just cause others are saying it makes sense

We're not Roma though which I would imagine has been a hugely learning curve for them but I'm still willing to give them more than 10 minutes before I start moaning in every post about them.

West Ham may have got rid of Moyes but if I remember correctly they offered him a new deal but he wanted to wait until the end of the season before deciding and in the end they agreed to part ways. Either way, getting rid of him hasn't exactly worked out well for them so far.

What's the fascination/obsession/relevance of this as you've posted it about 30 times now, if it means that much to you would you like me to change it?

Twice, don't exaggerate. Although it does fascinate me when a poster tries to hide behind a new username, most of the sensible ones stick the name we all know, oh and also you tried to deny it at first. It's no biggy though.

[Paddockoldie]

HE'S GOT GREY HAIR, BUT WE DON'T CARE...Feeling a little bit positive for a change