David Moyes

[Matt1878]

A definite sense of the planets aligning here.

Moyes had a generational talent in Rooney and then he was taken away..."No place at Everton for a talent like that to flourish" said the press. Well that money took us to 4th and potentially a champs league spot.(*1) So we lost Rooney, gained Nigel Martyn and Marcus Bent and make the Champs League play offs. Incredible really, but we were always skint.

And then a transfer record that I still think is staggering.. Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Stones, Jags, Fellani, Yobo, Lescott, Howard, Yakubu, Barry, Johnson. His record in the transfer market was remarkable to be honest.

And he has learned... Yes he was negative at times, brining on David Weir at city as a 3rd centre back and conceding a win in a congested box.. Subs have rarely been his strong point, but we're 12 years on.

Fuck I forgot Baines and Coleman on that list.. haha.

Anyway, yes the players look more confident, but so does Moyes. He is a different beast to that which left us as the annointed one, to take up that poisoned challice at Utd. His pressers look like a man who has won a trophy in his time away, he lookes comfortable, whereas he once looked ..entrenched. He has that monkey off his back with that trophy, I think. Maybe it's just the right time.

I wouldn't trade him now. I know they say you should never go back, but he has a solid budget, he has BMD, a side that wants to play for him and a crowd that believes.
Let's fucking do this.

(*1).. Collina ...the dodgy cunt.

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To be honest guys (and Liz), I'm still a bit gutted we plumped for Moyes.

Dyche had this team getting points last year. Ram has been saying for months that these players were much, much better than the league table and points indicated.

Moyes is an absolutely solid, run-of-the-mill, best-of-the-rest manager. He's one of 2 dozen than could have got us moving away from the relegation zone.

Im yet to be convinced that he's the guy to take us deep onto a cup or into Europe without choking. (I can't get over how often he bottled it with us. Hopefully getting over the line with West Ham has changed him)

[777Kidnappings]

To be honest guys (and Liz), I'm still a bit gutted we plumped for Moyes.

Dyche had this team getting points last year. Ram has been saying for months that these players were much, much better than the league table and points indicated.

Moyes is an absolutely solid, run-of-the-mill, best-of-the-rest manager. He's one of 2 dozen than could have got us moving away from the relegation zone.

Im yet to be convinced that he's the guy to take us deep onto a cup or into Europe without choking. (I can't get over how often he bottled it with us. Hopefully getting over the line with West Ham has changed him)

He won a cup with West ham. He took us deep into cups previously. Us and West ham were in Europe multiple times

People very quickly forget how bad the last decade or so has been. Watching every manager who's come after moyes and still not be able to get over moyes shortfalls?

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He won a cup with West ham. He took us deep into cups previously. Us and West ham were in Europe multiple times

People very quickly forget how bad the last decade or so has been. Watching every manager who's come after moyes and still not be able to get over moyes shortfalls?

Yeah, I do agree with you. As I said, I'm hoping getting over the line with West Ham has removed the hoodoo I always thought was over him.

The bringing a knife to a gun fight.
The "just don't lose" pep talks at half time at some of the most important games since 95 (both domestic and Europe).

He really, really struggled to take the step and make us (and him) a contender. Ferguson's cast offs to make him stay relevant all went away at West Ham and I think he excelled

We are so far away from being "the beat of the rest" though, I'm probably content for 3 to 4 years letting him build a decent squad and incrementally improving during that time now

[Deano Blue Boy]

I doubt even Moyes thought it'd go this well.

Getting a set piece coach has really helped our football in open play.

Everton that.

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It's a stroke of Genius by Moyes.

He's got Charlie Adam in, and said to the lads "listen, if you don't start playing better in open play, you're going to have to have sessions with this guy. Your choice"

[Lazarou II]

It's been a while since I could be arsed watching MOTD while eating my breakfast on a Sunday.

It's a great feeling being interested again.

[toffee_scot]

Yeah, I do agree with you. As I said, I'm hoping getting over the line with West Ham has removed the hoodoo I always thought was over him.

The bringing a knife to a gun fight.
The "just don't lose" pep talks at half time at some of the most important games since 95 (both domestic and Europe).

He really, really struggled to take the step and make us (and him) a contender. Ferguson's cast offs to make him stay relevant all went away at West Ham and I think he excelled

We are so far away from being "the beat of the rest" though, I'm probably content for 3 to 4 years letting him build a decent squad and incrementally improving during that time now

There were certainly some aspects of his first spell that annoyed me like the above.

At the moment, I am just enjoying this rejuvenation of the team and how Moyes has found different ways to win games and score goals and genuinely feel we can pull away comfortably from the relegation battle and establish a more solid foundation in the team which I think is the main priority.

If Moyes can establish us as a club that can get us in the top half of the table then that would be great and then the Friedkin Group can decide if Moyes is the right person to continue or we bring in another manager who can push us forward, hopefully by then we have a smarter setup in terms of finance, recruitment and long term strategy.

[TheRam]

To be honest guys (and Liz), I'm still a bit gutted we plumped for Moyes.

Dyche had this team getting points last year. Ram has been saying for months that these players were much, much better than the league table and points indicated.

Moyes is an absolutely solid, run-of-the-mill, best-of-the-rest manager. He's one of 2 dozen than could have got us moving away from the relegation zone.

Im yet to be convinced that he's the guy to take us deep onto a cup or into Europe without choking. (I can't get over how often he bottled it with us. Hopefully getting over the line with West Ham has changed him)

That’s the thing with moyes.

He isn’t doing anything too innovative or ambitious.

He’s just simply giving them more freedom and confidence with the ball and is setting them up in ways to create chances.

I know people are sick of it but it deserves to be mentioned just how horrible dyche was when someone like moyes can come in and have us score seven goals in two home games.

Yeah, two very poor defences but at best we scrape 1-0 wins in these games under dyche and the whole experience is draining.

The more we go on, the more my opinion on the previous manager lessens. It just wasn’t football.

Still have my doubts on moyes long term. Let’s be honest, he’s staying for a while and that’s fine as it would be silly of us to bin him in the summer when he has that body of work at West Ham behind us, but can see him frustrating the fans with heightened expectations and a better squad of players.

At the moment he’s coming in off the back of the worst Everton team to watch over the last six months and possible a year when you see the second half of last season.

Eventually that will wear out and it will all be on moyes to show he can be the man to move us forward and kick on.

[777Kidnappings]

Someone like moyes.... really does moyes a disservice

[Bluedylan1]

As I've always said about Moyes, he works very well with a club in our position.

He understands how to build a team that eventually goes from 15th to 6th or 7th. He builds teams that win the majority of home games that you ''should'' win, and that alone gets you to a certain level of comfort in the league.

It's the next step after that he hasn't been able to do, whether due to financial restraints, being naturally cautious, or not quite having that extra element to work with the best players and make them even better.

And that's fine. Being able to build a club up from the relegation area to consistently around the European spots is a huge talent. He's ideal for our current situation. I would never appoint him for a team sitting in 6th to try to crack the CL spots, but for a team in 15th hoping to be 6th/7th, absolutely.

If he's able to do that with us in the next 2/3 years, leave us with a much better playing squad, like he did last time, that will be the perfect foundation to make the sort of long-term exciting appointment that we all want, to hopefully make the next leap forward after that.

[TheRam]

Someone like moyes.... really does moyes a disservice

It doesn’t.

Go see what his West Ham team were like in his last two seasons.

They were really poor for the talent they had on the pitch.

He’s still a passive, pragmatic manager.

All he’s done is tweaked things. Little change in shape, bit more on the deck, more bodies going forward.

Off the ball, we’re still passive and concede possession. We’ll see how long he can go like that before he frustrates the fans.

My point is, a manager like moyes getting a team who scored 1 goal in open play in 11 games, to score 7 in 4 really reflects terrible on the previous manager.

The players just needed a bit more confidence and freedom to get forward.

[Matt1878]

As I've always said about Moyes, he works very well with a club in our position.

He understands how to build a team that eventually goes from 15th to 6th or 7th. He builds teams that win the majority of home games that you ''should'' win, and that alone gets you to a certain level of comfort in the league.

It's the next step after that he hasn't been able to do, whether due to financial restraints, being naturally cautious, or not quite having that extra element to work with the best players and make them even better.

And that's fine. Being able to build a club up from the relegation area to consistently around the European spots is a huge talent. He's ideal for our current situation. I would never appoint him for a team sitting in 6th to try to crack the CL spots, but for a team in 15th hoping to be 6th/7th, absolutely.

If he's able to do that with us in the next 2/3 years, leave us with a much better playing squad, like he did last time, that will be the perfect foundation to make the sort of long-term exciting appointment that we all want, to hopefully make the next leap forward after that.

I think there are a lot of unknowns, we hit 4th and 5th few times during his spell without any money. Moyes left we appointed Koeman and Ancellotti and they did OK, short term, then Koeman's Everton bombed and he left and Ancelotti jumped ship as it was a short term gig for him anyway.

We have given an awful lot of money to all sorts of managers with little success. Moyes never really had a fair crack at Utd, to draw a conclusion. He took Fellaini, but he didn't get that war chest, Ferguson knew that team was falling of a cliff and needed rebuilding, and many others have failed since Moyes too.

My point is we have handed Everton to box office managers and not been established in the top 4. It's hard, but I want some continuity and to see him given time to build a team, like he was given first time. He just feels the best bet, for me anyway. No guarantees of course and for now, let's just see if he can get top 6 again, as it's not a given. Then we can revisit this in a couple of years, in terms of what comes next.

[Matt1878]

It doesn’t.

Go see what his West Ham team were like in his last two seasons.

They were really poor for the talent they had on the pitch.

He’s still a passive, pragmatic manager.

All he’s done is tweaked things. Little change in shape, bit more on the deck, more bodies going forward.

Off the ball, we’re still passive and concede possession. We’ll see how long he can go like that before he frustrates the fans.

My point is, a manager like moyes getting a team who scored 1 goal in open play in 11 games, to score 7 in 4 really reflects terrible on the previous manager.

The players just needed a bit more confidence and freedom to get forward.

Useful comparison West Ham net spend, which was 8th highest during his time.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/set-to- ... ews/433989

Compare that spend to the clubs above and its about half. It's clear the toll of European football can take on a squad when the team goes deep in a competition. Hence 14th and 9th isn't a great surprise when your squad isn't equipped to battle on multiple fronts.

[Brownie]

Wonder who Moyes would have swerved that Koeman splashed on

All of them apart from Gana

[bigtonyblue]

It will definitely go stale with Moyes at some stage in the future but he's exactly what we need for the here and now

These last few seasons have been horrendous, I'm all in for a nice and steady no relegation fears season or 2 now