Dyche - HE'S GONE

[Cozzie]

Graft over quality... What quality?

I get that the teams low on quality in general, but I'd imagine going forward, if he stays, he'd prioritise signings that grafted and worked hard over quality.

We'll just further move towards Burnley mk2, he won't improve us on the pitch at all, we'll only go backwards.

[AjaxAndy]

I get that the teams low on quality in general, but I'd imagine going forward, if he stays, he'd prioritise signings that grafted and worked hard over quality.

We'll just further move towards Burnley mk2, he won't improve us on the pitch at all, we'll only go backwards.

Possibly, or maybe he'd prioritise hard working players with quality, or maybe he'll target literally whoever is available on a free or loan, or maybe he'll prioritise a wide player like McNeil but with pace... We have no idea and I doubt very much he'd have much say in getting what his dream shopping list would be because we're so financially fucked so we'll never really find out.

[777Kidnappings]

I get that the teams low on quality in general, but I'd imagine going forward, if he stays, he'd prioritise signings that grafted and worked hard over quality.

We'll just further move towards Burnley mk2, he won't improve us on the pitch at all, we'll only go backwards.

Don't want to keep banging the same drum but it's like people are in complete denial

We are going to sell 120m plus of talent this summer and replace them for if we are lucky maybe 25% of that.... yet people are talking about how we won't progress and we'll only go backwards. What kind of progress do people expect? Think if we aren't relegated in the time it takes us to get to financial stabability it might be a fantastic achievement

On dyche himself I feel like he's managed to progress plenty of individual players in his tike here and at Burnley

[Bluedylan1]

I think for me, I wasn't thrilled when we got Dyche but I thought ''let's have a proper look at him''. Maybe the stereotypes weren't true about him, or maybe they're overstated a bit. It's the biggest job he'll ever get, so he'll want to do well and at the very least he'll be a steady hand and better than the last couple of people we've appointed.

And certainly at times, during the first part of the season I could see some positives. We were organised at the back, and although the football wasn't good, we were pressing well, with good triggers. It felt like there was a sustainable way of winning the ball high up the pitch and creating enough dangerous situations. We were awkward to play against. I thought ''this isn't really for me, but it's pretty effective and that's fine''.

But as the season has gone on, I've seen less and less of that. The longer he works with the players, the worse they get, which is a tell-tale sign that things aren't working. I've seen more of what the stereotypes suggested. A very stubborn man with outdated ideas, who isn't inspiring the players, doesn't use subs well and has a very inflexible attitude to tactics. I don't think he's very emotionally intelligent, which like it or not, is an important part of management now. The only discernible patterns are long diagonals, and set pieces to the far post for knock downs. There's nothing else. And I'm sorry, but that's not good enough. We don't have great players, but our players are better than that.

When people come back at those who aren't having Dyche, they often say silly stuff like ''what d'you want, tippy tappy bollocks around our own box'' or ''Graham Potter's not going to do anything with these players'', which completely misrepresents the valid criticisms of Dyche. Nobody is asking for us to play like City, nobody thinks Potter would revolutionise us. Most of us don't even want Potter. But it's not unreasonable to expect a manager who works with players, improves them, has clear patterns of play, has something more than ''pump it long lads, and see if you can win a second ball''. It's dreadful. When people talk about 6/7/8 players being in poor form, that isn't a coincidence. It's down to the manager. His tactics aren't working. He is not finding a way to make them productive and effective together. If he was doing his coaching badges now, I think he would struggle to get passed, certainly on the attacking sessions.

As others have said, if he keeps us up he'll have done fine overall, with the deductions. I hope and pray that whoever the new owners are thank him for everything in a difficult time for the club, and send him on his way in the summer.

[superpull]

Do like and agree with all that BD.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't mind Potter. But he would take time and we'd be relegated before we got the best out of him.

Dyche to steady the boat and give a platform where we're getting 40 points a year and then a Potter to come in, have a poor-ish season whilst he beds in and then getting us 14th-7th for a year or four would represent a decent escape plan from the current death-spiral for me

[American Evertonian]

Wasn’t you talking about sacking dyche after the Burnley game if we don’t win?

Who would you get to replace him now if that’s the case.

After this match? No. After the match in December? Also, no. You probably have me confused with someone else.

There is no point in sacking a manager now. Statistically speaking, sacking a manager this late in the season doesn’t make sense as you don’t see a ppg bounce from a managerial change.

You asked me who I would get to replace him, and I answered that question in my last reply.

[AjaxAndy]

I don't think the way we played earlier in the season was sustainable, especially that run where we won 4 on the bounce... It took a lot out of the players.

McNeil pressed like crazy in the second half today but Doucoure looked exhausted and couldn't do it. He's observing Ramadan so that'll take it's toll, but I think we have to understand that with so few first team players that the way Dyche might want to play isn't possible at this stage of the season.

I don't necessarily think that's his fault, it's a symptom of the squad makeup and the absolute flogging the players have had because we haven't got anyone to come in and replace them.

It's just grind it out now and hope for the best, try be solid and hope to create something that gets us a few wins. People can blame Dyche and there's no doubt it's a hard slog lately, but I don't look at this squad and feel there's anything left to get out of this limited bunch of players in numbers and quality.

[American Evertonian]

Whatever shogs.

People are just pointing out that he probably has done a decent job overall in very challenging circumstances.

As I pointed out in the match day thread the squad could be a lot worse next season if we see no improvement in the running of the club.

If we go down, it won’t be the fault of any manager.

It’s just a difference of opinions and how people see things.

Nobody is being an apologist or thinking everything is fine.

Things are far from fine. Nobody enjoyed that today.

I don’t want you to think that me saying he needs to go this summer as me saying that he hasn’t done alright in a bad situation. My call for parting of the ways is that I don’t see us improving past where we are now if we keep him. Staying where we are now likely means relegation next year.

I’ll gladly thank him for keeping us up last year and this year, but keeping him I think will see us continue down a path that ends in relegation. And with our finances, if we go down, I can’t see us coming back up quickly.

[brap2]

The thought of who we would get in next breaks me out in a cold sweat.

It he keeps us up he's hit the brief sadly, that's just where we are.

[Granite]

I think we’re 5/10 years away from actually building something, unfortunately. We’re going to see lots of Dyche’s and probably a few owners in that time.

Can’t think of many (any) clubs that were in this much financial difficulty and just turned it around with a new owner over a summer? Especially ones with so little apparent wealth.

Villa, Leeds, Portsmouth, Palace - all decades long salvage jobs.

[superpull]

I think we’re 5/10 years away from actually building something, unfortunately. We’re going to see lots of Dyche’s and probably a few owners in that time.

Can’t think of many (any) clubs that were in this much financial difficulty and just turned it around with a new owner over a summer? Especially ones with so little apparent wealth.

Villa, Leeds, Portsmouth, Palace - all decades long salvage jobs.

Yes. I think this is the pragmatic approach that a lot of people defending Dyche are thinking about.

It's a bitter medicine, but a repeat of the job he did with Burnley for years and years is absolutely good enough under the current circumstances.

Either he "does a Moyes" and brings stability, or we see a season where it's too close for comfort and we part ways.

[Cods]

"Theyre [the fans] nervous, and that makes the players nervous, and vice versa".

Needed to be said.

[American Evertonian]

It would be interesting to see what percentage of folks want him to stay or go if we stay up would be.

Feel like it would be a pretty even split.

[blueforyou]

He stays, but is it goodbye to:

Lonergan; Coleman; Young; Gueye; Onana; Gomes; Dele; Harrison; Danjuma; (Holgate; Maupay)?

[Paddockoldie]

I think for me, I wasn't thrilled when we got Dyche but I thought ''let's have a proper look at him''. Maybe the stereotypes weren't true about him, or maybe they're overstated a bit. It's the biggest job he'll ever get, so he'll want to do well and at the very least he'll be a steady hand and better than the last couple of people we've appointed.

And certainly at times, during the first part of the season I could see some positives. We were organised at the back, and although the football wasn't good, we were pressing well, with good triggers. It felt like there was a sustainable way of winning the ball high up the pitch and creating enough dangerous situations. We were awkward to play against. I thought ''this isn't really for me, but it's pretty effective and that's fine''.

But as the season has gone on, I've seen less and less of that. The longer he works with the players, the worse they get, which is a tell-tale sign that things aren't working. I've seen more of what the stereotypes suggested. A very stubborn man with outdated ideas, who isn't inspiring the players, doesn't use subs well and has a very inflexible attitude to tactics. I don't think he's very emotionally intelligent, which like it or not, is an important part of management now. The only discernible patterns are long diagonals, and set pieces to the far post for knock downs. There's nothing else. And I'm sorry, but that's not good enough. We don't have great players, but our players are better than that.

When people come back at those who aren't having Dyche, they often say silly stuff like ''what d'you want, tippy tappy bollocks around our own box'' or ''Graham Potter's not going to do anything with these players'', which completely misrepresents the valid criticisms of Dyche. Nobody is asking for us to play like City, nobody thinks Potter would revolutionise us. Most of us don't even want Potter. But it's not unreasonable to expect a manager who works with players, improves them, has clear patterns of play, has something more than ''pump it long lads, and see if you can win a second ball''. It's dreadful. When people talk about 6/7/8 players being in poor form, that isn't a coincidence. It's down to the manager. His tactics aren't working. He is not finding a way to make them productive and effective together. If he was doing his coaching badges now, I think he would struggle to get passed, certainly on the attacking sessions.

As others have said, if he keeps us up he'll have done fine overall, with the deductions. I hope and pray that whoever the new owners are thank him for everything in a difficult time for the club, and send him on his way in the summer.

A great reading of my own thoughts. He said "We designed to win ugly".... he surpassed himself. Problem being it wasn't just this game. We got lucky with our 37% possession at home, in a must win game.