Dyche - HE'S GONE

[MayorFarnham]

Bottom line is without the points deduction this squad is as high as one could reasonably expect.

[Shogun]

Think he'd be under pressure even without the points deductions. What we've seen over the last four months and at Goodison all season has been utterly appalling.

[Evertonian in NC]

The only good run of football came in the wave of defiance over the points deduction. Why would we expect that burst to have occurred without the deduction?

Regardless, the issue is the wheels coming off and I am losing confidence that next season won't be a fucking train wreck (I do agree we are safe this season), and as noted previously I am petrified at what type of player he will bring in (limited budget or not) if he digs in like a tick.

We may decide there really is no real alternative to bringing him back and try to squeeze out a third year of horrid, bare survival. But to act like we should be reasonably satisfied with how he's handling things seems absurd to me.

[Escalator]

Think he'd be under pressure even without the points deductions. What we've seen over the last four months and at Goodison all season has been utterly appalling.

Under pressure from who though ? The owner, the board ? Who else can sack him ? If you know you can’t be sacked your not under any ptpressure.

[777Kidnappings]

It's simple, really. What Dyche values is control. Will Player X do EXACTLY what he is instructed to do, with no improvisation whatsoever? Young will/does, so he plays. Same with Garner. Onana gets the quick hook until he gives up in frustration (it's also asking too much for him to bear all the creative force for CM, but Dyche is happy with none at all).

Without any spark of creativity, opponents figure you out and you become easy pickings. Chelsea played with freedom and confidence today because they knew we couldn't/wouldn't throw a punch at their soft underbelly.

Onana isn't playing like some maverick. He's plodding around doing the square route of fuck all.

[Escalator]

He spoken to the press yet?

Yes, Sky

[777Kidnappings]

The only good run of football came in the wave of defiance over the points deduction. Why would we expect that burst to have occurred without the deduction?

Regardless, the issue is the wheels coming off and I am losing confidence that next season won't be a fucking train wreck (I do agree we are safe this season), and as noted previously I am petrified at what type of player he will bring in (limited budget or not) if he digs in like a tick.

We may decide there really is no real alternative to bringing him back and try to squeeze out a third year of horrid, bare survival. But to act like we should be reasonably satisfied with how he's handling things seems absurd to me.

People really do need to lower their expectations. I'm really not arsed if dyche goes but you're losing confidence next season won't be a train wreck... it will be. It is every season now and we are going to sell Iver 100m of players

You're petrified at the players we might sign. They'll be cheap and shit

Oh and there's a very decent chance we'll go down this season

All that's regardless of who's manager. Whoever it is the club is in for another awful season filled with shite players

[Evertonian in NC]

Then rip the bandaid off. The only way we'll ever compete or be sustainable again is to let the likes of Coleman, Doucoure, and Gomes go on a free. Clear wages off the books so we stop getting points deductions once the criteria shift to wage-to-turnover ratio. Bring in young and cheap players that the manager (whoever he is) will fucking play.

If this turgid, losing football isn't putting us on a path to sustainability OR a tactical reset once BMD opens? Then what exactly is the fucking point?

[Shogun]

Apparently tonight was us having a go according to what he said post-match.

[Shogun]

Didn't the fella at Burnley win 4 of his 7 matches when Burnley binned of Dyche?

Literally get anyone in at this point. The players need to be freed.

[Stumpy]

Apparently tonight was us having a go according to what he said post-match.

Having a go at what, embarrassing ourselves?
Tell him it worked

[Cereal Killer]

Apparently tonight was us having a go according to what he said post-match.

Prepping the excuses already for when we play absolutely horrific defensive hoofball against Forest

“We’ll we tried having a go at Chelsea and look where that got us”

[Cods]

Apparently tonight was us having a go according to what he said post-match.

Not sure which interview you were listening to there, but I've listened to two so far and in each he's criticised the performance (without calling anyone out specifically), but criticised particularly the professionalism of the players, only slightly excusing Myko and Dwight.


The performance from 10 minute on was pathetic, we were slow, uncommitted and disinterested from there on...

Choosing not to play for any manager needs long term implications, like in any organisation. There is no excuse for what that was this morning.

[Shogun]

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Just a Dyche thread on the Burnley forum yesterday.

2 years without Dyche

According to my FB memories.

From a steady Eddie to a roller coaster is probably an understatement.

I’m not sure I miss his last 18 months, which seem to have been wiped from various memories whenever the current situation is compared to this season.

I’m also not sure how “together” the team was towards the end. Ben Mee certainly alluded to some unhappiness in those final seasons in more than one interview.

Dyche’s side was steadily improving through potentially to 2020 but then it stalled due to lack of investment in the squad.


We stopped picking up home wins and that was crucial to us. The game after we won at Liverpool we beat Aston Villa 3-2 at home. Since that game we’ve won just 8 out of 48 home games in the Premier League.

That last season and a half under Dyche was tough but I want my team to be winning games and two home games this season is just not acceptable.

I was at the Norwich game, his last stand. It was pretty shocking and did have an end of an era feel to it. But as above, the squad had been starved of investment and stagnated for 2 years, you can't do that in the Prem.

Hard to call how good / bad a decision it was, as two years on we find ourselves in the same spot as we were then. Last season was hugely enjoyable, but against that, I probably fear for next season more than I would if Dyche was in charge. Could well be wrong about that, just a feeling.

As brilliant a manager as he was for us last season was immense, I don't miss him at all.

I have mixed feelings about Dyche. I remember that in the COVID period he had hardly any players he went to Palace with Kevin Long, two keepers and 4 kids on the bench, and won 1 - 0! It was from around about that point on things seemed to grow gradually worse with minimal investment so that Oligarlick and John Banditkiewicz could trouser their millions.

Personally I had no problem with his style of football, he got us 54 points twice, but I don't go to football to be "entertained".

On the other hand we were heading for the rocks when he was fired and even Michael Jackson got 11 points from 8 games so he wasn't getting a tune out of the old band of brothers three of whom went straight into retirement.

We had our best season ever at championship level last season and have followed it up with a struggle but (to me at least) a season where we are improving whilst playing a possession based style. I watched us at Everton and preferred to watch a team using possession than one waiting for mistakes from the opponent and having a sole reliance on set plays.

Dyche was magnificent for Burnley FC of that there is no doubt but nearly a decade was the right tenure and, as others have suggested, it was not all rosy in the kitchen in terms of team spirit at the end. I haven’t missed him at all.

I was at Norwich. As bad as we’ve been this season that performance was utterly disgraceful

I was also there and i benchmark that against future performances and I agree with your assessment. We haven’t come close to being as disgraceful as we was on that day

There was a marked downturn with the departure of Tony Loughran and replacing him with Steve Stone.

The players didn’t care, no running, no pressing, no energy which is a prerequisite for a dyche team. He’d lost that dressing room months before and that little bully who’s name I won’t mention (Steve Stone) who was on the coaching staff didn’t seem to help matters

Stone you mean yea a truly horrible human being.

Should have moved on sooner, bad decision to stay after his obvious attitude towards the chairman

Will never forget what he did for us and the good times that brought. I never really did like listening to him talk though, got on my nerves. Not too fussed what happens with him now he has left the club.

we are debating the status of millionaires, dyche worked for us and was successful. I thought he was great, he didn't have much money, and he still doesnt at everton. to work with. its never a fair point to put managers like him up against the billionaires owners at the giant clubs. VK is in same category. great player with a philosophy that will work again, but trying to implement his plans on a shoestring budget.

Turgid football barely creating a chance
Struggling to beat a team in the bottom 3
Jobs for his bezzie mate
Old dour pros trusted over anyone else
Scraping through by the skin of his teeth

That’s not Dyche with us by the way that’s Dyche with Everton!

Anyone that thinks it would have been different had he been given some cash is hallucinating. He would have bought more solid old pros

[Cods]

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Just a Dyche thread on the Burnley forum yesterday.

I'm not defending him, as he is who we have now, and little seems likely to change any time soon.

But I don't see how quoting fans from a former team provides any objectivity, unless you want to compare their forums with one of ours once a player or managers decides to move on. Neither carry much if any weight or insight at all.