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The excuse are getting very straw man like his hands are tied so why tie them tighter by playing Godfrey and young and not starting Onana and taking him off after 60/70 minutes why constant long balls to no one why not try dobbin or chermiti every so often he has options but won’t use them because he is a stubborn I can’t be wrong type of guy
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Kerryblueboy wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:52 am The excuse are getting very straw man like his hands are tied so why tie them tighter by playing Godfrey and young and not starting Onana and taking him off after 60/70 minutes why constant long balls to no one why not try dobbin or chermiti every so often he has options but won’t use them because he is a stubborn I can’t be wrong type of guy
What do you know about Onana level of fitness that Dyche doesn’t know ?
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Fieldy618 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:30 am Appreciate what you're saying, we're all suffering but I'm finding it hard to even comprehend watching us at the moment, the setups and game plans are piss poor and surely the whole point of watching football is for a little enjoyment. I've not been getting that for a long time with us and maybe some big calls might change that, maybe they won't. I'm just not into Dyche and this brand of football.
Let’s get a manager in who loves to play slick, passing football!

And pretend that none of our players can actually manage that style as we get battered 5-0 every game
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Escla wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:13 pm What do you know about Onana level of fitness that Dyche doesn’t know ?
If he isn’t fit he shouldn’t be on the bench I see you didn’t comment on him not playing Godfrey and young ahead of Patterson and Harrison but hey it’s a point at home to palace hallelujah
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Cereal Killer wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:19 pm Let’s get a manager in who loves to play slick, passing football!

And pretend that none of our players can actually manage that style as we get battered 5-0 every game
They can certainly play better than the shite being served up.
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Cozzie wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:13 am Yeah I'm not advocating sacking him what so ever like.

But that really swayed me last night.

The right side of Young/Godfrey when we had Harrison and Paterson on the bench is absolutely unforgiveable.

A CB at right back and an ageing winger who couldn't take on a tortoise.

Before anyone pitches in with the whole "Patterson can't defend" bullshit, you're right, he isn't a good defender, but every single one of our full backs bar Mykolenko can't defend.

Patterson at least gives you an element of something going forward. Attack is the best form of defence and all that. A RB at RB would at least give the team balance.

Why do we seem to always attract these managers that love the whole "square pegs in round holes" approach?
I don't like Godfrey at RB, but Patterson looked absolutely over his head the last time he played... I know he's not played enough, but also he's not improving when given games, in fact it seems more like he's regressed.

Dyche doesn't trust him, I don't trust him either.

It's like the whole DCL thing, we could drop him but the alternative is actually shit. So whilst Godfrey shouldn't be anywhere near RB Patterson isn't looking like a better option.
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Patterson should have started last night. No doubt. Starting with Mykolenko (even though he's got better going forward) and Godfrey as your fullbacks at home against that Palace side is unbelievably negative.

Especially if you're going to put Young on the wing anyway. There's no excuse for starting a CB/boxer at RB in a match where you need actual footballers instead of an actual attacking RB whose vulnerability defensively is massively overstated anyway.

Dyche treats the fullback positions like it's 2005 and they're not arguably the most important position on the pitch.
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Shogun wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:29 pm Patterson should have started last night. No doubt. Starting with Mykolenko (even though he's got better going forward) and Godfrey as your fullbacks at home against that Palace side is unbelievably negative.

Especially if you're going to put Young on the wing anyway. There's no excuse for starting a CB/boxer at RB in a match where you need actual footballers instead of an actual attacking RB whose vulnerability defensively is massively overstated anyway.

Dyche treats the fullback positions like it's 2005 and they're not arguably the most important position on the pitch.
He would have loved Tony Hibbert. He really is risk averse and I get it we are shit with a football but you can't have Tarkowski as your forward option from defence
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Fieldy618 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:47 pm They can certainly play better than the shite being served up.
Can they? When did this happen for more than a one off game in the last 3 seasons??

When Lampard had us knocking it around with ease and bossing teams left right and centre?

Rafa’s super sexy pragmatic approach?
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AjaxAndy wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:24 pm I don't like Godfrey at RB, but Patterson looked absolutely over his head the last time he played... I know he's not played enough, but also he's not improving when given games, in fact it seems more like he's regressed.

Dyche doesn't trust him, I don't trust him either.

It's like the whole DCL thing, we could drop him but the alternative is actually shit. So whilst Godfrey shouldn't be anywhere near RB Patterson isn't looking like a better option.
Didn’t Patterson play the full game away to West Ham we kept a clean sheet played a few since it’s not like he is a defensive liability like Keane dyche is ruining this lads career
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Cereal Killer wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:50 pm Can they? When did this happen for more than a one off game in the last 3 seasons??

When Lampard had us knocking it around with ease and bossing teams left right and centre?

Rafa’s super sexy pragmatic approach?
You're happy with what's being served up currently? Nothing wrong with wanting to see a bit of football being played rather than just lump it to DCL and hope for the best.

Lampard we all know was way out of his depth.

Rafa was probably the most maligned manager we could have employed, crowd was on his back from day one, was never going to succeed even if he tried to play decent football.
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Kerryblueboy wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:52 am The excuse are getting very straw man like his hands are tied so why tie them tighter by playing Godfrey and young and not starting Onana and taking him off after 60/70 minutes why constant long balls to no one why not try dobbin or chermiti every so often he has options but won’t use them because he is a stubborn I can’t be wrong type of guy
Remember what happened when Palace gambled on Olise recently? If Onana played from the start and went off after 20 minutes what would you be coming on here saying then?
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Fieldy618 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:09 pm You're happy with what's being served up currently? Nothing wrong with wanting to see a bit of football being played rather than just lump it to DCL and hope for the best.

Lampard we all know was way out of his depth.

Rafa was probably the most maligned manager we could have employed, crowd was on his back from day one, was never going to succeed even if he tried to play decent football.
No the football is atrocious. But we still win the odd game and are one of the best defensively in the league that means we’ll always be in a game

Binning him off for someone who wants us to play football, at this point of the season, with the same terrible squad is suicidal though. Potter wouldn’t have a clue what to do with us

We’ve got no technical players unless you’re living in a fantasy land where Alli and Gomes of many years ago suddenly reappear and ping the ball about

I’d rather not go down losing 5-0 all the time just because the current football is archaic

Bin him off in the summer by all means if we can rebuild then
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Kerryblueboy wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:51 pm Didn’t Patterson play the full game away to West Ham we kept a clean sheet played a few since it’s not like he is a defensive liability like Keane dyche is ruining this lads career
I honestly can't remember who we played last time Patterson started but he was all over the place and offered nothing going forward either.

He's not the answer in a relegation scrap, barely looks championship standard at times.

Godfrey isn't the answer either but Dyche seems to trust him more than Patterson and I'm not totally surprised given the latter's performance last time he started.
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AjaxAndy wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:41 pm I honestly can't remember who we played last time Patterson started but he was all over the place and offered nothing going forward either.

He's not the answer in a relegation scrap, barely looks championship standard at times.

Godfrey isn't the answer either but Dyche seems to trust him more than Patterson and I'm not totally surprised given the latter's performance last time he started.
He doesn't trust him there he's tried every fucker and doesn't fancy any of them. Wouldn't be surprised to see Michael Keane at rightback at this rate
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