Shogun wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:37 pm
Essentially that Sigurdsson is irrelevant because a player can lose any player to unforeseeable circumstances, e.g. long term injury, and it wouldn't be provided as a mitigating factor.
Although I'm surprised the club didn't make more of "he was arrested on suspicion of child abuse and was suspended by the Club and then the FA" You'd think the fact we wasn't able to unsuspend him would have been a factor, though it we made no attempt to then it would be a difficult argument.
My issue is more with the timeline of what was meant to happen and when, and what the different public persception was. At no point did the club announce they'd terminated his services in August. He was still showing on the official site squad list in October.
Both the Echo and the BBC have him leaving in the summer of 2022 at the end of his contract. The official site suspiciously doesn't have a date for him leaving or reason[https://www.evertonfc.com/teams/transfers]. The news report of Delph and Tosun also leaving at the same time is absent from the club site too.
I'm a bit happier with this after reading the report. At least it seems as though the appeal panel have taken into account other cases and the punishments handed to them whilst it's absolutely clear the the original panel really did just decide "Let's go for 10 points" and offered nothing in determining why that was.
I still think it's unnecessary but bodes well that the 2nd charge will yield a more positive result for us because of the positive trend in financials.
Goaljira wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:10 pm
My issue is more with the timeline of what was meant to happen and when, and what the different public persception was. At no point did the club announce they'd terminated his services in August. He was still showing on the official site squad list in October.
Both the Echo and the BBC have him leaving in the summer of 2022 at the end of his contract. The official site suspiciously doesn't have a date for him leaving or reason[https://www.evertonfc.com/teams/transfers]. The news report of Delph and Tosun also leaving at the same time is absent from the club site too.
They also had to respect the judicial process though. Probably could have affected any case if we officially announced that we terminated his contract.
Shogun wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:16 pm
They also had to respect the judicial process though. Probably could have affected any case if we officially announced that we terminated his contract.
Possibly, but the lack of the detail on the transfers page and the removal of the contract expiry article just stinks of a clumsy clear up after the fact.
Cozzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:22 pm
Be interesting to see what happens now with Forest.
1 of the years in the 3 year rolling period accounts for the season they spent in the championship.
Would they be punished for that year separately under EFL guidelines?
It's 2 years in the championship and 1 in the prem for those books that are being looked at, as the accounts submitted are for up to last season this season isn't included
Section 221 wrote:T-3 showed an adjusted loss of £58m; the mean of T2 and T-1 showed an adjusted loss of £55m; and T showed an adjusted loss of £10m (see paragraph 3.4 of and Schedule 2 to the Complaint. The schedule gives a figure of £59m for T-3: we have used the lower figure of £58m in paragraph 3.4. The difference, which appears to arise from rounding up/down, does not matter for the purposes of this Decision). Mr Rabinowitz submitted that a downward trend in losses was something to be taken into account in mitigation; and, extrapolating from the EFL Guidelines, two points should be removed from the deduction.
This is a bit of a worry.
So T1 becomes T2: -£55m
T becomes T1: -£10m
So for us to still be in breach for the current period, the new T would need to be greater than -£40m, and therefore the trend of better financial performance is out the window as a mitigation?
Report stated that 6 points was the minimum that should be given, so we can expect that at the very least. If financials are trending in the right direction then it should be -1 from that but could also be -2. I'd expect a 5 point deduction based on what I've just read there.
Shogun wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:06 pm
Report stated that 6 points was the minimum that should be given, so we can expect that at the very least. If financials are trending in the right direction then it should be -1 from that. I'd expect a 5 point deduction based on what I've just read there.
sam of the south wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:04 pm
So in the light of this do we reckon the next charge will be 6 points as well?
It looks like the panel used efl rules as a guide
From what Ive heard about efl rules on double jeopardy we shouldn't be punished for the years we have already been punished for
So it should be less
And with what was said about trends as long as we can show we lost less than previous that should mean less points, am hoping for it to be dropped as that is basicly what the efl would do in this situation or maybe just 2 points, it should be less than 6 but I don't trust Richard masters to not have his feelings hurt by this and push for severe punnishments
Maybe am just jaded from being an Evertonian for too long
As I say to my red friends who are backing us I tell them you haven't supported everton long enough
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Yeah, maybe. Be interesting if Forest are well over to see if they're given a harsher points deduction. They stated in the report regarding the EFL framework about each £2.5m over (or something like that) being a 1 point penalty. They also said that exceeding the 9 points for insolvency shouldn't be the case.
That reads to me that you could overspend by £15m and it would be 9 points and it would be the same for £150m.
The way I see it, we're out of the relegation positions (for now) and if we get more docked by the end of April, if these get carried over to next season and not the end of this, then it could be worse. I'm hoping the players can kick on now and we get safe. Still smells fishy to me, but seeing 25 on the board is good
