Dyche - HE'S GONE

[777Kidnappings]

He's right though. Some of us act like we're Arsenal or something by not appreciating what an incredible feat it is to win 5 matches in 10 months.

Some of us act like the previous shortlist wasnt dyche vs someone who wanted to wait for us to be relegated before taking responsiblity and the 1 before that wasnt lampard rooney ferguson and someone we still refer to as "The Porto guy" because we cant really remember his name.

[Escalator]

When you say problem - in what way does fan perception cause is a problem and what is that problem

That perception creates un realistic expectations that cannot be fulfilled, that is the problem

[Toddacelli]

It’s certainly a prestigious pay cheque.

[AjaxAndy]

I'm not sure I'd put us much above Wolves in the prestigious category. We're an absolute basket case of a club, we've spent the least out of any premier league club for I think the past 5 seasons, we sell our best players and don't replace with any quality.

We've been largely shit ever since Moyes left.

People think we're a prestigious club because they support us, not because it's bound in any reality.

Supporters will count history as being something tangible, and to the fans it's 100% is, but when that history was 40 years ago and it's been wank ever since then to the outside world it means very little.

Everton may well end up being the biggest club Dyche ever manages, but he could feasibility manage Leicester one day and I'm not sure in that situation we're necessarily coming out on top.

[777Kidnappings]

This is the biggest club he will manage.

I don’t think that can even be argued can it?

He’s not going to leave us and walk into a job at spurs or Villa is he?

This is his level and he’s pretty good at managing at this level.

Biggest club in terms of history. Its not the biggest budgey. Or the 1 with the best youth system. Or the 1 with the best scouting. Or probably not the 1 with the best squad. So just in terms of expections and not resources

[TheRam]

Everyone is being silly.

Very few people in this thread these days who haven’t completely lost their head.

[brap2]

That perception creates un realistic expectations that cannot be fulfilled, that is the problem

I can never back the idea that of all the things wrong with this club, the fans are in the top 100.

Especially not the idea that some fans have expectations or standards. I don't think anyone is asking anything of dyche that is beyond the realms of reality.

[brap2]

I'm not sure I'd put us much above Wolves in the prestigious category. We're an absolute basket case of a club, we've spent the least out of any premier league club for I think the past 5 seasons, we sell our best players and don't replace with any quality.

We've been largely shit ever since Moyes left.

People think we're a prestigious club because they support us, not because it's bound in any reality.

Supporters will count history as being something tangible, and to the fans it's 100% is, but when that history was 40 years ago and it's been wank ever since then to the outside world it means very little.

Everton may well end up being the biggest club Dyche ever manages, but he could feasibility manage Leicester one day and I'm not sure in that situation we're necessarily coming out on top.

You think Wolves and Leicester are bigger clubs than Everton?

You still microdosing pal? You want to check your dosage imo.

[777Kidnappings]

I dont think anyone is really against a change now, especially if the results dont improve

I dont think that takes away from him doing a really good job two seasons running and that his performance has been vital for the future of our club

The problem i have is that peoplw who called for his sacking every other week for 2 years are now coming on here and pretending they want him gone because of this season and that he had credit in the bank. You said you hated him and after a great end to last season called for him to be sacked when the first team was announced. Least be honest

If we lose today i think he might well have to go. Ultimately you cant keep losing whatever the circumstances are. He should go as a hero though. Wed have been fucked without him. We think we are too fancy to really acknowledge just how important them 2 years might be to our future

I just think its a bit sad that most blues seem to dislike him.

[777Kidnappings]

I can never back the idea that of all the things wrong with this club, the fans are in the top 100.

Especially not the idea that some fans have expectations or standards. I don't think anyone is asking anything of dyche that is beyond the realms of reality.

Its not real standards. Its lets re sign richarlison and lukaku. Lets throw mad money at players and managers with fancy names. Its not a demand that we be competent and make good decisions. Its lets still act big. Our fans dont have real standards. Kenwright wouldnt have survived for decades if we did

[TheRam]

I'm not sure I'd put us much above Wolves in the prestigious category. We're an absolute basket case of a club, we've spent the least out of any premier league club for I think the past 5 seasons, we sell our best players and don't replace with any quality.

We've been largely shit ever since Moyes left.

People think we're a prestigious club because they support us, not because it's bound in any reality.

Supporters will count history as being something tangible, and to the fans it's 100% is, but when that history was 40 years ago and it's been wank ever since then to the outside world it means very little.

Everton may well end up being the biggest club Dyche ever manages, but he could feasibility manage Leicester one day and I'm not sure in that situation we're necessarily coming out on top.

Would have us streets ahead of Leicester and wolves, so would most football fans.

Let’s stop being silly.

[AjaxAndy]

You think Wolves and Leicester are bigger clubs than Everton?

You still microdosing pal? You want to check your dosage imo.

Depends on what you're determining as 'bigger'. Leicester have a much better recent history than us.

I think what we're really discussing is desirability, and Everton are not a desirable club to manage. Only fans care about history, it's why fans of traditional clubs complain about Man City being a plastic club when the rest do the world would have them as one of the biggest clubs around.

To manage Everton is about as desirable as managing Wolves. A bottom half club probably fighting relegation, with us more likely to go down because of how much of a mess the club is. Only Everton fans think of us as being a big club these days.

[Kerryblueboy]

Ffs wolves and Leicester bigger than us my hole we are a huge club will sell out the new stadium every week take up all our away allocations everywhere we go have been through a rocky patch but hopefully the new owners and new coach and players next summer will get us back on the right track

[TheRam]

Depends on what you're determining as 'bigger'. Leicester have a much better recent history than us.

I think what we're really discussing is desirability, and Everton are not a desirable club to manage. Only fans care about history, it's why fans of traditional clubs complain about Man City being a plastic club when the rest do the world would have them as one of the biggest clubs around.

To manage Everton is about as desirable as managing Wolves. A bottom half club probably fighting relegation, with us more likely to go down because of how much of a mess the club is. Only Everton fans think of us as being a big club these days.

Do they really?

Ok they won the league which is great for them but in my lifetime they’ve spent most of their years in the championship and league one.

Same for wolves.

Everytime I listen to people outside of Everton on podcasts and the like they always mention how a big club like us should never be in the position we find ourselves in.

Don’t think anyone is saying that about wolves and Leicester.

We’re on the same level as spurs and Villa. That’s where we should be, a top 7 team that can mount the odd challenge to the top but be a solid player in the premier league.

That’s a long way off at the moment and those expectations shouldn’t be put on dyche, but the debate has moved now toward if he’s the man who can take us there with the takeover.

He isn’t, which is why it should be a massive thanks for the job he’s done but time to move in a different direction a look toward a manager who can get us where we deserve to be.

Wolves and Leicester will continue to float between the premier league and championship like they always have done.

Hopefully we will move up the league towards the top 7 which is where we’ve spent most our history.

[Audrey Horne]

Absolutely fucking madness that you're saying wolves/Leicester are the same level of club.

Honestly madness.