Ashley "not so" Young

[AjaxAndy]

Yea I'm well known for my optimism on here

[Shogun]

"Oh what a quiet day for the Dyche thread"

Enters Ashley Young thread

"Never mind"

[AjaxAndy]

"Oh what a quiet day for the Dyche thread"

Enters Ashley Young thread

"Never mind"

[UnsyisaRhino]

I get it dude. Fear is an incredibly powerful emotion and the easiest one to appeal to. Let's draw those curtains and padlock the doors.

Not sure that's what he's doing, at all.

But sure, ignoring the point he's made to decide for him why he's making it is much easier, I agree.

[UnsyisaRhino]

Well said that man.

In psychological terms, a lot of our fans are exhibiting a classic trauma response to the last few years (perhaps understandably). Afraid to go outside, afraid to open the front door. Just hunker down and never hope for anything better.

Good job you and a few other super heroes are here to be brave enough to live in the real world where, because we're Everton, we should ignore the reality of our situation.

nil satis nisi optimum!!!!

[TheRam]

Completely missing the point, they had pace to hurt us because a) they have pace, and b) because we have probably the slowest backline in the league.

But they didn't hurt us because we protected the weakness. Yes the other part, the going the other way was shit which I don't think anyone arguing against, but let's not pretend our backline somehow is anything other than it is, which is absolutely shit.

I’m not missing any point.

We made it easy for them. Iwobi passed the ball in from 25 yards out to score.

We didn’t lay a glove on them and were very lucky to get a point.

So many ways we could have made things difficult for them even with a slow defence. We didn’t have to play the way we did and we’ve seen it too much this season.

I’ve backed dyche to the hill on here but I can’t back what I’ve seen this season.

[Bluedylan1]

Good job you and a few other super heroes are here to be brave enough to live in the real world where, because we're Everton, we should ignore the reality of our situation.

nil satis nisi optimum!!!!

You're entitled to your view, predicated on fear and incredibly low expectations, and I'm entitled to criticise it.

Also the laughing face thing is a bit teenage girl. You're better than that.

[AjaxAndy]

I’m not missing any point.

We made it easy for them. Iwobi passed the ball in from 25 yards out to score.

We didn’t lay a glove on them and were very lucky to get a point.

So many ways we could have made things difficult for them even with a slow defence. We didn’t have to play the way we did and we’ve seen it too much this season.

I’ve backed dyche to the hill on here but I can’t back what I’ve seen this season.

I mean pretty much the only time Smith-Rowe and Iwobi were able to run at the defence they scored, so that kind of tells you everything you need to know.

We literally just beat Ipswich before Fulham and played reasonably well, and we've taken 9 points from 5 games... Maybe you can't back what we've seen this season, but it's looking very much like what everyone demanded when he came in - head in to the new stadium with the deadwood off the books and being in mid table mediocrity.

[UnsyisaRhino]

You're entitled to your view, predicated on fear and incredibly low expectations, and I'm entitled to criticise it.

Also the laughing face thing is a bit teenage girl. You're better than that.

There's not a bit of fear involved, there's not even any emotion involved, my perspective is based purely on what I think this group of players is capable of based on what we see week in week out, and have seen for the last 5 years.

We can play better, we are capable of doing more with the ball and creating more chances, but we've also shown we're capable of completely folding and giving up goals like we want to go down. So it's a balance, one that logically, based on the last 5 years and the start of this season, only works one way until we can bring players in to help change that.

I'm glad you think so highly of me

[The Doc]

I mean, the football is dreadful this season, I don't see how anyone can defend it. Its not good enough.

We've had some good spells, but not enough. In an attacking sense, we're badly coached, there's no dressing that up.

[Cods]

Can we not press higher and pressure them in dangerous areas?

Can we not have a better idea of how to use the ball instead of pumping it long at every opportunity and seeing it come right back at us?

Yes, if that's our competitive advantage and matches our skill set. And we have done this at times, against Fulham for example I'm not sure it would have been the right thing to do, leaving space in behind us to be exploited when the press is beaten, we've seen this happen a few times and we've been exposed badly, especially at the back post. It had got us a goal or two as well.

I think we have a few pass and move type players that are ok at doing it, the likes of Patterson, Garner, Iroegbunam, Harrison and maybe Mangala and Branthwaite, and a couple of good carriers in McNeil and N'Diaye. I don't disagree we should be able to develop something with them,but not enough for total football.

The reason we've not been expansive recently is that goals conceded was far too high so early in the season. We had to get back to some stability at the back.

The point is, poorer teams get beaten for a reason, because they're limited, and the Pep/Martin/Postecoglu philosophy/ideology over pragmatism, like the soup from a stone tale, always requires better ingredients.

[superpull]

The very fact we were playing better with the same manager and pretty much the same players last season sort of debunks the "Poor Dyche, what do you expect him to be able to do with the worst players in the league?" stand point

[Free Agent]

I get it dude. Fear is an incredibly powerful emotion and the easiest one to appeal to. Let's draw those curtains and padlock the doors.

I do that every Hallo fucking ween

[AjaxAndy]

The very fact we were playing better with the same manager and pretty much the same players last season sort of debunks the "Poor Dyche, what do you expect him to be able to do with the worst players in the league?" stand point

The fact we didn't win for 3 months last season sort of debunks the idea we played better all the time last season.

It could even be argued that despite not playing well we've picked up 9 points on 5 games instead of not picking up points would also suggest he'd found a way to avoid the long winless run of last season despite having largely the same players at his disposal.

I guess it all just depends on which side of this coin you want to look at it from.

[TheRam]

Bloody hell mate.

You don’t half stick to your guns.