End of Moshiri - Friedkin, APPROVAL AGREED

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Gary1878
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When history looks back in 100 years' time at his ownership, they will see that:

1. We remained in the PL
2. He built a brand new world class stadium
3. Survived financially through Covid and the Ukraine war

It will be harder, but not impossible to see:

1. The terrible football with numerous close fought relegation battles
2. A stadium project so vast and ambitious that it saddled the club with £100s of millions of debt
3. The appalling transfer market mistakes that almost ruined the club, with points deductions and from a financial solvency perspective

It's funny how things are viewed when you don't have the detail behind the facts.
TheRam
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I’m excited because we have got owners who were beyond my wildest dreams.

I thought we were in such a mess we were going to go through the Leeds cycle of having chancer after chancer running us into the ground.

I don’t think 777 were ever really close to taking us over and believe Usmanov and Moshiri knew they could rinse them, but outside of TFG the other candidates really weren’t promising.

These guys will make us close to solvent and get us back on an even footing.
The Doc
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Gary1878 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:12 pm When history looks back in 100 years' time at his ownership, they will see that:

1. We remained in the PL
2. He built a brand new world class stadium
3. Survived financially through Covid and the Ukraine war

It will be harder, but not impossible to see:

1. The terrible football with numerous close fought relegation battles
2. A stadium project so vast and ambitious that it saddled the club with £100s of millions of debt
3. The appalling transfer market mistakes that almost ruined the club, with points deductions and from a financial solvency perspective

It's funny how things are viewed when you don't have the detail behind the facts.
I get what you mean, but we're in the record books for amount of points deducted in the top flight, due to being ran like a backstreet kiosk. We nearly entered administration and ceased to exist as a club.

And he will definitely be remembered for that just as much as the new stadium.
superpull
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Silas wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:29 pm Well I'm excited, it's been a massive pile of wank being an Everton fan, if they manage to make it much worse I'll have nothing but respect for that level of fuckery

If they're worse then we won't have a club to worry about for too long
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You have to be optimistic about this, otherwise what's the point. They've made mistakes at Roma, but let's hope that was them learning the ropes to a certain extent.
We're at such a low at the moment, but this comes are a vital point, and with the move to BMD there is every chance we can build a bit of momentum and move forward.

Is this better @Jamokachi? 😘
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superpull
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Wildest dreams is they clear debt, make the DoF role one with autonomy and then just back the fuck off and do nothing besides bin/appoint dofs
Gary1878
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The Doc wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:36 pm I get what you mean, but we're in the record books for amount of points deducted in the top flight, due to being ran like a backstreet kiosk. We nearly entered administration and ceased to exist as a club.

And he will definitely be remembered for that just as much as the new stadium.
In 100 years time? You lose a lot of detail and I honestly don’t think the record books will show the kind of disaster that it has been given that the facts will look a little kinder without all of the detail such as you have mentioned above.

Human beings like to look at facts such as “first stadium to have a 3 tiered stand”. Do you care about how that stand or Goodison Park was financed, or only care that it was built in the first place?

None of us will obviously be alive in 100 years to find out how history will look upon Farhad, but I bet it will be kinder than it is now.
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Shogun wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:20 pm Giulia Bould saying she's been told by 4 sources it's not been approved yet
Been looking at that.

Do you think she’s more itk than bobble?
Escalator
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sam of the south wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:38 pm Been looking at that.

Do you think she’s more itk than bobble?
I’m not allowed to say :(
The Doc
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Gary1878 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:05 pm In 100 years time? You lose a lot of detail and I honestly don’t think the record books will show the kind of disaster that it has been given that the facts will look a little kinder without all of the detail such as you have mentioned above.

Human beings like to look at facts such as “first stadium to have a 3 tiered stand”. Do you care about how that stand or Goodison Park was financed, or only care that it was built in the first place?

None of us will obviously be alive in 100 years to find out how history will look upon Farhad, but I bet it will be kinder than it is now.
I don't look at Goodison and think about who owned the club at the time it was built or whatever, Archibald Leitch is the persons name that comes to mind, if anyone in particular that's not a player or past player.

So I actually think in the future that no one will look at BMD and have Moshiri cross their minds. He'll be forgotten and lost in time unless his name is specifically Googled (or Willow'd, whatever future us use).
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sam of the south wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:38 pm Been looking at that.

Do you think she’s more itk than bobble?
Likely legitimate sources but also the club probably want to keep the news in-house until they announce it themselves.

Bobble probably crawls through the vents around Finch Farm and Goodison even if it's just to get team news 15 minutes early.
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Gary1878 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:05 pm In 100 years time? You lose a lot of detail and I honestly don’t think the record books will show the kind of disaster that it has been given that the facts will look a little kinder without all of the detail such as you have mentioned above.

Human beings like to look at facts such as “first stadium to have a 3 tiered stand”. Do you care about how that stand or Goodison Park was financed, or only care that it was built in the first place?

None of us will obviously be alive in 100 years to find out how history will look upon Farhad, but I bet it will be kinder than it is now.
You say 100 years I’d say in 15/20 years moshiri will be well thought of by a massive proportion of our fans.

Ultimately we have had 2 close calls with relegation and the points deductions last season but we were comfortable apart from a couple of months in the middle.
No doubt we have gone backwards on the pitch, but there is nothing tangible to secure that misery in the record books. Events conspired against him and amplified the effects of his poor stewardship. Covid and the Ukraine war being the main 2. The PSR situation was a disaster but even that could
Have been avoided if it wasn’t for refereeing “mistakes” made against us. We definitely would have finished considerably higher in most of the last 4/5 seasons if not for those, made more prize money maybe not had to sack managers so been way under the thresholds. Oh and then there is the “player X” situation. This could have been claimed better in the PSR hearings, regards mitigation/not taking legal action, but in reality who the fuck saw that coming.

He leaves us with an outstanding springboard to move forward and if TFG can run us sensibly and move up the table to a comfortable finish this year to challenging at least (not necessarily achieving but just being involved) for Europa conference league next and so on I think the main memory of the moshiri era will be the citadel of football on the banks of the Mersey, the bad shit will be but a cautionary side note thrown in by a drunken auld fella in the corner of the pub.
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These lot will run this club as a business. I expect our commericals and sponsorships to go up 3 to 4 fold from what they are today. Naming rights on the stadium still to come as well as increasing the matchday sponsorship and advertisements, I expect those revenue streams to significantly increase over the next 3-5 years.

Where i'm still cautious is on the playing side. The transition into BMD will be unsettling, new environment, bedding in period. That said if we can bring in a manager to build, and one who gets atleast two summer transfer windows then I think we can start to look at bringing back those European nights to BMD. For the forseeable future in my opinion we'll have to get some stability back and become a solid mid table club.

I think as long as the building blocks are in place off the field and we stick to a plan we should see some benefits in the medium to longer term.
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Agree with the doc. Meis, like Leitch, will be the name associated with this period of our time.

Mahon's "I have one in my pocket" ace card coming after a perilous time that nearly saw the club homeless, shareless and without a solitary asset is remembered. So Moshiri may well just be the guy in charge when this happened - but his name will definitely fade into the annals of obscurity - in the same way Mahon has for all but the most dedicated.
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Indiantoffee75 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:49 pm These lot will run this club as a business. I expect our commericals and sponsorships to go up 3 to 4 fold from what they are today. Naming rights on the stadium still to come as well as increasing the matchday sponsorship and advertisements, I expect those revenue streams to significantly increase over the next 3-5 years.

Where i'm still cautious is on the playing side. The transition into BMD will be unsettling, new environment, bedding in period. That said if we can bring in a manager to build, and one who gets atleast two summer transfer windows then I think we can start to look at bringing back those Europeans to BMD. For the forseeable future in my opinion we'll have to get some stability back and become a sold mid table club.

I think as long as the building blocks are in place off the field and we stick to a plan we should see some benefits in the medium to longer term.
All those increases in revenue you mentioned would have come irrespective of the new owner, it's a given that they will, based on the move, that's the entire point of it. They still need to maximise those opportunities, and you'd think they will, but if it didn't increase significantly something would have to go massively wrong
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