Dyche - HE'S GONE

[blueforyou]

And some might say, even Harrison is a number 10!

[Shogun]

I think we should keep Dyche tbh

[The Doc]

How many squads do you think we are better than. Think other than the 3 prompted teams we are struggling to say we are significantly better than anyone else. Probably the slowest team in the league too. We will see soon enough but I'm not sure anything but defensive football suits our squad

In my opinion - Southampton, Leicester, Ipswich, Bournemouth, Forrest, Brentford, Wolves.

With the fixtures we've had we should be at least 12th or 13th, possibly midtable. It's been a really easy run. But we're 2 points off the relegation zone.

[The Doc]

I think we should keep Dyche tbh

U wot

[777Kidnappings]

I think Thelwell was just trying to sign versatile players with the pittance he had available to give the manager options. He's wanted Ndiaye for a while, and I think most of us would agree we're happy with that one.

I just think Dyche is a very basic, limited manager who doesn't really do flexibility or nuance. I think we'll see the next manager get more from Ndiaye and Lindstrom to evidence that.

It's a bit telling the player he got on loan Lindstrom isn't even a dyche player. Think people are making excuses for thelwell to heap more blame on dyche at this point. Feels like we've just randomly signed whoever is cheap. There's no excuse for getting players on loan that don't suit our current manager

[TheRam]

He’s just really lost his head this season.

I think over his first 18 months here he showed himself to be a good manager.

Very level headed, didn’t make excuses, and just got on with the job producing some quite decent football along the way.

His behaviour this season has been really strange. Constant paranoid, passive aggressive comments in the press conferences, the obsession with premier league experience, very strange selection decisions and deciding to get rid of the press which was very good last season.

It’s like he doesn’t know how to manage a team that was comfortably mid table and need us to be near the bottom of the league to start making us good again.

Some managers are just really good at managing certain situations and when they get away from that they lose their head.

Dyche is a manager for a team near the bottom of the league. He doesn’t know how to move a team forward from that.

Wouldn’t surprise me if we shocked people and picked up some good results now as he has the playbook for this type of situation.

Other than the wolves game he has a whole month of fixtures where he can go back into his comfort zone of backs to the wall, grinding out results in a difficult situation.

[TheRam]

It's a bit telling the player he got on loan Lindstrom isn't even a dyche player. Think people are making excuses for thelwell to heap more blame on dyche at this point. Feels like we've just randomly signed whoever is cheap. There's no excuse for getting players on loan that don't suit our current manager

Not really.

We have a small squad, with PSR restrictions and an owner who has no money to put into the club.

A lot of our work in the market simply has to be getting bodies in where we can to build a semi competitive squad.

If a player like lindstrom is available on loan where I imagine his wages are split then we’re in no position to turn that down.

From everything we hear from dyche and thellwell they seem to work closely together so I imagine dyche still has the final say on who comes in.

The players we signed for money are mostly here because the selling clubs where willing to take the money on the drip and the rest has to be loans and free transfers where we can.

[Shogun]

The Bournemouth match changed things I think. We played maybe as well as we have under Dyche for 87 minutes and then completely fell apart. Same thing then happened at Villa. Think at that point he decided that trying to get this lot to play football would end badly and has gone away from it entirely to the shite we're seeing now.

Factor in him probably knowing he's not going to be here at the end of the season then there's no incentive for him to do anything but get enough points to stay up by whatever means possible. Dropping 2 goal leads on a weekly basis destroys his reputation. If he's sacked then that works out well for him too.

Players probably have got the vibe he's leaving as well and naturally there'll be players in the team that don't get on with him in the first place which no doubt makes for a weird atmosphere now. Shouldn't be forgotten that he ditched the suit to the training gear (obviously there was more to it than that) to get the squad back on side last season and realistically that sort of gesture was only going to go so far.

Think the vast majority of players are putting a decent effort in still but the belief isn't there.

[CannockPricey]

The Bournemouth match changed things I think. We played maybe as well as we have under Dyche for 87 minutes and then completely fell apart. Same thing then happened at Villa. Think at that point he decided that trying to get this lot to play football would end badly and has gone away from it entirely to the shite we're seeing now.

Factor in him probably knowing he's not going to be here at the end of the season then there's no incentive for him to do anything but get enough points to stay up by whatever means possible. Dropping 2 goal leads on a weekly basis destroys his reputation. If he's sacked then that works out well for him too.

Players probably have got the vibe he's leaving as well and naturally there'll be players in the team that don't get on with him in the first place which no doubt makes for a weird atmosphere now. Shouldn't be forgotten that he ditched the suit to the training gear (obviously there was more to it than that) to get the squad back on side last season and realistically that sort of gesture was only going to go so far.

Think the vast majority of players are putting a decent effort in still but the belief isn't there.

I agree with you about the Bournemouth game. I think the Villa game was different. We hadn't really bossed that game even at two up, they were in good form and there was a long way to go.

The Bournemouth game (where he definitely should have made subs) scared him to death. It was calamitous after we had been well and truly the better side all game. The players really did drop some clangers there too.

He took the wrong message from it though. He focused on the horrific ten minutes or so and not the very good 80+.

Add on three points to our tally and you could probably add another couple through the confidence that win would have brought and we would probably be about where we realistically could or should be and everyone probably sees the season differently.

He did an exceptional job cleaning up Lampard's mess and dealing with the utter carnage of the points deductions which were not of his making last season.

This season has just not felt the same.

The next appointment is massive. This squad is capable of better but this club has made some horrific appointments and someone of Benitez/Lampard level ineptitude really could make this worse.

[Escalator]

Yes it’s a fact that knowing that you are going to be turfed out at the end of the season no matter what is bound to impact a persons attitude but surely he is on some sort of lucrative “survival bonus” if he keeps the team in the Premier League, that in itself should be sufficient motivation.

[AndSeel]

Think this latest statement from Moshiri is more a 'im not fucking paying him off'

Think Friedkin will move him on when they arrive.

[bigmanbob]

What latest statement? I've missed that one

[Kerryblueboy]

Why have we stopped pressing from the front like we did at the end of last season worked well we can’t just sit back and let better teams have the ball

[Escalator]

What latest statement? I've missed that one

There is no statement from Moshiri, it’s some one saying that THEIR understanding is that Moshiri would not want to move Dyche on.

[UnsyisaRhino]

He’s just really lost his head this season.

I think over his first 18 months here he showed himself to be a good manager.

Very level headed, didn’t make excuses, and just got on with the job producing some quite decent football along the way.

His behaviour this season has been really strange. Constant paranoid, passive aggressive comments in the press conferences, the obsession with premier league experience, very strange selection decisions and deciding to get rid of the press which was very good last season.

It’s like he doesn’t know how to manage a team that was comfortably mid table and need us to be near the bottom of the league to start making us good again.

Some managers are just really good at managing certain situations and when they get away from that they lose their head.

Dyche is a manager for a team near the bottom of the league. He doesn’t know how to move a team forward from that.

Wouldn’t surprise me if we shocked people and picked up some good results now as he has the playbook for this type of situation.

Other than the wolves game he has a whole month of fixtures where he can go back into his comfort zone of backs to the wall, grinding out results in a difficult situation.

I can't see him deliberately sabotaging the club just so he can get the type of trench scrap he thrives in, even subconsciously.

We either need to win a few games or for the takeover to happen so we can get rid....or the theories are going to get really crazy....thinking about it, has anyone ever seen Mike walker and Sean dyche in the same room?