Thelwell talking strategy

[blueToffee]

I think Thelwell has done a decent job under tough conditions overall. Moyes generally has a good eye for a player too, hopefully there is a Venn diagram of overlap where Moyes can help assess Thelwell candidates and we get some decent players in.

Kinda hoping since Moyes hasn't been out of things too long, he might still have an active list from his West Ham days of potential recruits too that he could bring to Thelwell too.

[Bornblue88]

Im broadly in agreement over Thelwells performance, Im not really sure what people expect him to do over and above what he has done.

I'll start by sayng not every call hes made has been correct, or made sense, Maupay being the classic example. But show me a DoF who has bought no duds?

But on the other hand: Hes got to identify players who can do a job, are free or can be bought on Klarna, and will come to us in our situation ahead of competitors.
The biggest issue of those that its very difficult to do anything about, is the lack of cash and payment terms.

So people pin Beto on him, for example (and I think with different service theres maybe a goalscorer in there), but he somehow managed to buy a top Italian league striker who was capable of double figures in said league, for no money up front, on the never never.

On outgoings, hes done really well. We are vulnerable as people know we needed cash, and hes got fees in that have been enough. This is the area most in his direct control, and hes done pretty good work IMO.

Im not sure turnover here in the summer is helpful, Id extend his contract by a further year and see what he can do with Davey, who is a good mover in the transfer markets himself.

Agree with all of that except the Maupay one. Lampard wanted to play 5 at the back so Maupay was signed to play in a two with DCL, which obviously couldn’t happen because of DCL’s injury problems. It wouldn’t have been incredible but Neil played the role well enough for Brighton. On paper it made perfect sense but we ended up pumping long balls to a guy who’s about 5 foot. That’s not to say that I don’t think Lampard was a tit and trying to play Coleman and Mykolenko as wing backs was insane.

[777Kidnappings]

Really struggling to see which signings and sales have been real successes here. The highlights seem to be bland players for market value and letting the contracts of big earners run out.

Not sure how anyone can claim with a straight face he's done a good job. The only real defence of him is the list of players we've apparently tried to sign but failed.

His best 5 deals probably consist of 3 or 4 players none of us like

[MayorFarnham]

I can't see him getting such an inportant job at another PL club if we don't renew his contract.

[kramer]

Really struggling to see which signings and sales have been real successes here. The highlights seem to be bland players for market value and letting the contracts of big earners run out.

Not sure how anyone can claim with a straight face he's done a good job. The only real defence of him is the list of players we've apparently tried to sign but failed.

His best 5 deals probably consist of 3 or 4 players none of us like

We’ve been in on a number of players who’ve opted for clubs with less fucked financial situations and performed well (e.g. a whole bunch of the players propping up Forest’s success).

It’s a rough gig getting beaten to everyone good in your price range because you can’t pay any money up front, your owner would light the club on fire to get rid of it, and your manager hates attacking.

I think he’s done okay in spite of all of that even if his best work is mediocre. We’ve added players who can be on the pitch in PL matches on reasonable contracts instead of guys the manager’s worked with at Newcastle. It’s subtle but it’s important because one of them leads you straight to the bottom of the Championship.

If the PSR chains loosen a little we might be able to add some actual good players. Even the Friedkins having cash to pay fees up front will help.

Seems to be doing some interesting things at the academy level as well.

I don’t know. Maybe things have been so indefensibly bad that a mediocre job looks good to me but here we are.

[777Kidnappings]

We’ve been in on a number of players who’ve opted for clubs with less fucked financial situations and performed well (e.g. a whole bunch of the players propping up Forest’s success).

It’s a rough gig getting beaten to everyone good in your price range because you can’t pay any money up front, your owner would light the club on fire to get rid of it, and your manager hates attacking.

I think he’s done okay in spite of all of that even if his best work is mediocre. We’ve added players who can be on the pitch in PL matches on reasonable contracts instead of guys the manager’s worked with at Newcastle. It’s subtle but it’s important because one of them leads you straight to the bottom of the Championship.

If the PSR chains loosen a little we might be able to add some actual good players. Even the Friedkins having cash to pay fees up front will help.

Seems to be doing some interesting things at the academy level as well.

I don’t know. Maybe things have been so indefensibly bad that a mediocre job looks good to me but here we are.

In terms of the transfers I think it's been mainly mediocre with a couple a poor 1s thrown in. Not sure we've had 1 real success coming in and maybe just onana as a standout sale

I don't think he's been awful but I don't see much of an argument for keeping him around either. That's just recruitment though I don't know about the academy

[The Doc]

The list of players that we reportedly chased but they turned us down is testament that we've identified the right type:

Kudus
Guimares
Luis Diaz
Pedro

When his job is buying new players and moving players on with huge wages, its hard to judge with the extreme financial restrictions that no other club has had to deal with in the league.

[PoD1878]

wasn't sure where else to put this from guardian...

The attackers signed on Thelwell’s watch are as follows: Neal Maupay, Dwight McNeil, Jack Harrison, Arnaut Danjuma, Youssef Chermiti, Beto, Iliman Ndiaye, Jesper Lindstrøm and Armando Broja. McNeil and potentially Ndiaye are the only pluses. This season’s intake of Ndiaye, Harrison, Lindstrøm and Broja, who arrived injured and is now out for another three months with ankle ligament damage, have delivered three goals and no assists between them. All three goals were scored by Ndiaye. With Dominic Calvert-Lewin toiling (he has now gone 1,212 minutes without scoring Moyes has no reliable options to call upon. He (Moyes) must be tempted to oversee recruitment himself.

[Shogun]

I think Moyes probably gets more out of all the loans (Broja aside)

[TheRam]

Wanting to see a few of those under a new manager before I fully judge.

Think we’ve seen all of them at their worst level over the last year with the exception of McNeil.

[fxceltic]

The list of players that we reportedly chased but they turned us down is testament that we've identified the right type:

Kudus
Guimares
Luis Diaz
Pedro

When his job is buying new players and moving players on with huge wages, its hard to judge with the extreme financial restrictions that no other club has had to deal with in the league.

and gyokeres

at the end of the day, people cant be surprised his hit rate is poor on good signings because thats what happens when youre kicking around in the bargain basement for players, the % that turn out great is going to be a lot lower

[Trowel]

Chermiti deserves a couple of years before being judged. It could be said that, in our circumstances, Thelwell shouldn't have invested so much in a young player, but he's shown plenty of potential on the rare occasions we've seen him.

[brap2]

The gap between the players we nearly signed and the players we signed is a fucking chasm, like if one or two had worked out you'd be able to point to it.

In terms of exciting headliners I'd say Onana and Ndiaye.

[Granite]

Chermiti deserves a couple of years before being judged. It could be said that, in our circumstances, Thelwell shouldn't have invested so much in a young player, but he's shown plenty of potential on the rare occasions we've seen him.

A fee raising to €15m isn’t €15m though. We’ve only paid a couple of million for him so far. It was a very incentive passed deal. Chermiti wasn’t some kind of wonder kid we had to overpay for, Sporting were happy to let him go.

[fxceltic]

any change in Thelwell sentiment following the showing of O'Brien and Lindstrom yesterday?

I think its a huge uptick in his % success rate to now see what those two can actually do with a decent manager