TheRam wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:24 pm
Should have kept Carsley.
He knows a lot of the players from his time in the system and the under 21 to the senior gig is something that works time and time again in international football.
I don’t see tuchel having the temperament for this type of job.
Also, it needs to be studied how a country like ours has not produced one top level manager for near on 30 years.
The last one was Bobby Robson, before him it was probably Howard Kendall.
Spain, France, Portugal, Holland, Germany churn them out on the regular. Yet we can’t.
There still hasn’t been an English manager to win the premier league. The closest was Kevin Keegan with Newcastle.
Why is this?
Because of the demand for immediate success imo. Managers just don't get chances at top clubs if they have managed at a lower level and are English, it's easier and safer to employ someone who's been there and done it already at a higher level.
In any other league the likes of Dyche and Howe would have been in top jobs after performing essentially miracles at small clubs, but instead they don't get the opportunities and stagnate with fans all calling them shite once this happens.
It has changed in recent years with Howe getting the Newcastle job and Potter at Chelsea but it's still very very hard for an English manager who shows potential to get a good job in the Premier League.
In the same way the best English young players need to be playing in the top competitions promising English managers need the same opportunity to enable them to develop in to world class managers.
As a positive it means Carsley can come to us! Tuchel won't go near half of the players picked for the last few games and while I totally agree with all Ram is saying there, I'd arguably add Venables to that list of successful mamangers. I still say it's a shame Hoddle turned out to be a fruit loop, defo potential in there
It's interesting that the FA have basically thrown out the whole England DNA thing they've been working to for the past decade. Yes we want to win something but also if Tuchel is purely on a win at all costs basis you can quite easily end up still not winning anything and being cast in the the football wilderness once more.
FA just needed to have some balls and stick with a plan that's clearly been working. Instead they've panicked after one bad result and thrown the baby out with the bath water.
Meh, I suppose if we win something I'll be delighted and at the end of the day it's something I've dreamed of seeing all my life. Just feels very short sighted when the DNA project was actually very well thought out and was bearing pretty good results.
I’ll wait until he announces Mason Mount in his first squad along with the phrase “I know the qualities he can bring to a team” and then I’ll judge him
Don't really understand the obsession with Carsley. Is it just that he played for us. Never managed a club team but people on here would be happy for him to manage us. Did well with the u21s but for me blew an easy chance to get the England job with that awful performance against Greece
As I'm not massively in the know on Tuchel I watched a couple of tactical breakdown videos on him today and I have to say I'm now absolutely on board with the appointment!
Things that stood out were his use of dual 10s which is something we have to get working given the talent we have in those positions. He's also very fluid in his tactics both from game to game and in game.
If you take out his time at Mainz he has a 67% win ratio, which is pretty phenomenal.
Under him multiple attacking players have had their most productive seasons which really bodes well for getting someone like Foden actually ticking in an England shirt.
His team's press really well which isn't something we did under Southgate.
I wasn't sure at first, but now I'm convinced the guy is right for the job now.
777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:47 pm
Don't really understand the obsession with Carsley. Is it just that he played for us. Never managed a club team but people on here would be happy for him to manage us. Did well with the u21s but for me blew an easy chance to get the England job with that awful performance against Greece
The under 21s were superb and played a way we’ve probably never seen an England team play.
He’s been hired by Brentford, Man City and the F.A so is clearly talented coach.
I’d be made up if we took the risk on him. Should have done it with Arteta when we had the chance.
The way international football is these days I think getting in a quick fix, instant results coach is ok. Qualifying for tournaments is pretty straight forward for the bigger nations and a restart every few years is unlikely to see us miss a major tournament.
It's similar for top English clubs when hiring managers, they take it as read thet they'll dominate the domestic league; they look for manaders that can win in Europe.
Also, people should be able to say the manager should be English without others resorting to the same, old, tired insults.
I’ve never liked going for a foreign manager. I think the point of international football is you pick the best from your talent pool and that goes for the coach as well.
Just how I see it. Obviously the loony left see it different.
Have to say, thought he was very well spoken in his first press conference. Got me a bit more positive about the decision.
In general I do think international football is kinda like the Olympics, it should be the best from your country including the coach. That’s not the rules though so obviously in a world where you can go out and hire anyone, he does make a lot of sense.
made up with tuchel appointment - we now have a proven manager that KNOWS how to get over the line and win trophies
its hard to find a winning manager hungry for more success and ready to manage an international team rather than a club team
the FA had to act fast as i think man utd would have snapped tuchel up as manager v soon
well done the FA
Think it's laughable when someone like redknapp says we should have an English manager than goes on to suggest lampard and Gerrard. He defeated his own argument.
