Dyche - HE'S GONE

[Paddockoldie]

If he keeps us up again I'll appreciate it. Going forward he isn't the manager we need because he's a fighter, a brawler an upsetter in his style. I want to see football with purpose and flair. He's a pigs ear and I want a silk purse

[Juanito]

Credit where credit is due and we had two big opportunities but…Chelsea should have scored twice with Jackson, had a higher XG and we got lucky in the first half despite a good performance. Ditto, Arsenal. Dyche should be sacked for Southampton away and Bournemouth/Brentford at home.

Good idea to keep him in for these tough fixtures in quick succession but we need a manager who can help our forward line look somewhat coherent.

We should be miles better and away from Southampton, Ipswich and Leicester.

[Evertonfc15]

All this makes me think new, pacey right winger is an absolute imperative on the 1st January.

gnonto plz

[Shogun]

Sometimes I go on to other forums after I think "We were alright there" like yesterday and it's just fans talking about feeling sorry for us putting up with that standard of football

[The Doc]

Sometimes I go onto other forums after I think "We were alright there" like yesterday and it's just fans talking about feeling sorry for us putting up with that standard of football

Years of conditioning.

[777Kidnappings]

Sometimes I go on to other forums after I think "We were alright there" like yesterday and it's just fans talking about feeling sorry for us putting up with that standard of football

Was proud of then yesterday. Good sides will get hammered by arsenal and Chelsea. We defended brilliantly for the 1st draw and could have even snatched a win yesterday. I think people are a bit bitter because they want to see us lose and be relegated cos it's pretty funny. It's a variation on trying to shame a fanbase for celebrating something

[The Doc]

Was proud of then yesterday. Good sides will get hammered by arsenal and Chelsea. We defended brilliantly for the 1st draw and could have even snatched a win yesterday. I think people are a bit bitter because they want to see us lose and be relegated cos it's pretty funny. It's a variation on trying to shame a fanbase for celebrating something

There's been some really good recent defensive performances, but we're still 4 points from the relegation zone, 3 wins in 16 games, 14 goals in 16 games, fourth relegation battle in a row, repeatedly a laughing stock for how we're run as a club overall.

I'd say it's almost certainly not bitterness.

[777Kidnappings]

There's been some really good recent defensive performances, but we're still 4 points from the relegation zone, 3 wins in 16 games, 14 goals in 16 games, fourth relegation battle in a row, repeatedly a laughing stock for how we're run as a club overall.

I'd say it's almost certainly not bitterness.

I don't mean they are jealous of us. Just that they are invested in seeing us go down and now it might not happen. They haven't watched the arsenal and Chelsea games and thought oh isn't it a shame for them. They've watched them to see us get hammered and are annoyed it hasn't happened

[blueToffee]

Sometimes I go on to other forums after I think "We were alright there" like yesterday and it's just fans talking about feeling sorry for us putting up with that standard of football

Yeah, it's a weird one. There probably has been some conditioning to the way we play and how we've ended up here. If we'd clicked our fingers and gone from Martinez's first season with Lukaku and co to this...yikes.

I think you can argue where this set of players belongs but personally I think we have a lot of triers in the side but with a few exceptions we don't have a ton of true upper level consistent quality. Chelsea have a bad manager and they sink to midtable because their players are ultimately still capable of world class things and that provides a certain floor. Our floor is clearly a lot lower.

So without that quality, I find that I measure standards a little differently and I do appreciate the effort, as it takes hard work and tenacity to take points of a lot of great sides in the league and I think to a degree the supporters of the really big teams with endless resources forget that. There can be some satisfaction in being resilient.

[UnsyisaRhino]

Yeah, it's a weird one. There probably has been some conditioning to the way we play and how we've ended up here. If we'd clicked our fingers and gone from Martinez's first season with Lukaku and co to this...yikes.

I think you can argue where this set of players belongs but personally I think we have a lot of triers in the side but with a few exceptions we don't have a ton of true upper level consistent quality. Chelsea have a bad manager and they sink to midtable because their players are ultimately still capable of world class things and that provides a certain floor. Our floor is clearly a lot lower.

So without that quality, I find that I measure standards a little differently and I do appreciate the effort, as it takes hard work and tenacity to take points of a lot of great sides in the league and I think to a degree the supporters of the really big teams with endless resources forget that. There can be some satisfaction in being resilient.

I think there is some pride to be had in those performances too.

We haven't just rolled over and given away easy wins to teams that are infinitely better than us, we've forced them to work for it and showed the minimum we all expect, hard work and endeavour, and a desire to impact the game.

It's all a sliding scale, and some teams have the luxury and privilege to be disappointed with things we'd kill for, we have to take what we can in our current situation and gradually build towards more positive expectations.

[AjaxAndy]

Only caught the last 10 mins today as was at a family gathering... Done great to collect 6 points from these 4 games, let's hope this is a platform to kick on a bit from and pull away from the bottom 3 .

[The Doc]

3 games without a win now, the pressure is on.

[Cozzie]

If we beat Forest, he only really needs to average a point a game from the next 20 to get to 40.

Not like he needs to do an awful lot to keep us up and we likely won't actually need 40 to survive.

Ifs and buts but I reckon he gets kept on if we win V Forest.

[TheRam]

Still only three points off the drop.

Things seem to be really positive about him right now but that could change very quickly.

[The Doc]

Still only three points off the drop.

Things seem to be really positive about him right now but that could change very quickly.

Still a major flop this season in my opinion, some really disappointing losses and games we should have won.

Still right in the mix for the drop. 3 good draws yeah definitely, but it hasn't pulled us away.