Relegation

[TheRam]

But isn’t that money going straight back into the club or paying debts?

I don’t think we will have much of that money to spend on replacements.

[Bob Sacamano]

I really struggle with Tarkowski. He’s a championship player with a premier league haircut imo.

[777Kidnappings]

We'd cope without Branthwaite and Onana, even though they are our best players. Onana is wasted in the type of football we play anyway, and there's tonnes of solid CBs around the league who could do a job with Tarkowski along side.

It's not the disaster that some people think, selling them both. It's one of our ways out of trouble. Thank fuck we have them to sell tbh. The key thing is the reinvestment. It has to be spot on.

Selling them both and getting gomes and Ali off the wage bill and not replacing them probably sees us break even. Which still gives us a points deduction this season next and the year after that. Then who we selling to make up the 100m plus shortfall the season after. The debts are still increasing. The whole awful situation which is already unmanageable is still getting worse

[Bluedylan1]

But isn’t that money going straight back into the club or paying debts?

I don’t think we will have much of that money to spend on replacements.

The vast majority of it, yeah. We'll just have to get their replacement right.

But at least we'll be bringing that money in. Imagine we didn't have them to sell.

[777Kidnappings]

The vast majority of it, yeah. We'll just have to get their replacement right.

But at least we'll be bringing that money in. Imagine we didn't have them to sell.

We sold Gordon for 40m and still lost 90. Since then the debts have increased so the interest costs must have too. So we are going to need to sell 130m and reduce the wagebill just to not lose money. So all that just to put it all off for another year.

[Bluedylan1]

We sold Gordon for 40m and still lost 90. Since then the debts have increased so the interest costs must have too. So we are going to need to sell 130m and reduce the wagebill just to not lose money. So all that just to put it all off for another year.

I just think you saying that we're getting £120m for the two players is wild, when numerous articles have quoted significantly higher prices than that.

Maybe if we got relegated their values would decrease a bit, but we'll be getting a fair bit more than that.

Presumably we will have some new ownership in the near future, whoever that is, and then we just have to player trade our way out of it. What other way is there?

[777Kidnappings]

I just think you saying that we're getting £120m for the two players is wild, when numerous articles have quoted significantly higher prices than that.

Maybe if we got relegated their values would decrease a bit, but we'll be getting a fair bit more than that.

Presumably we will have some new ownership in the near future, whoever that is, and then we just have to player trade our way out of it. What other way is there?

I think 120ish would be about right. 65 and 55ish. There's no way we are getting 100m for Branthwaite. 1 season for a poor side who's despite for money. Hope we get 180m for the 2 but id be staggered

[Bluedylan1]

I think 120ish would be about right. 65 and 55ish. There's no way we are getting 100m for Branthwaite. 1 season for a poor side who's despite for money. Hope we get 180m for the 2 but id be staggered

Nah, with the level of clubs interested in both players, and numerous reports stating figures much higher than the ones you quote, I think you're just in a bit of a doomy kind of mood (understandably) and you're not being objective.

[MayorFarnham]

Clubs in such a downward spiral tend to get owners that are progressively worse. We will really buck the trend if whoever comes in next sorts us out.

We also need to consider that when clubs with controlled finances get relegated from the PL there is major cost cutting to be done just to pay average PL contracts in the Championship.

It's going to take more than getting top dollar for a couple of young players and replacing them with a couple of Thewell rough diamonds to even tread water.

[777Kidnappings]

I just think you saying that we're getting £120m for the two players is wild, when numerous articles have quoted significantly higher prices than that.

Maybe if we got relegated their values would decrease a bit, but we'll be getting a fair bit more than that.

Presumably we will have some new ownership in the near future, whoever that is, and then we just have to player trade our way out of it. What other way is there?

Can we player trade our way out of 130m losses each year?? We can next season but after that we've just got pickford. We are probably gonna have to cut our wage bill in half. We have to make consistent savings rather than try and and make 100m plus in sales each season.

[Bluedylan1]

Clubs in such a downward spiral tend to get owners that are progressively worse. We will really buck the trend if whoever comes in next sorts us out.

We also need to consider that when clubs with controlled finances get relegated from the PL there is major cost cutting to be done just to pay average PL contracts in the Championship.

It's going to take more than getting top dollar for a couple of young players and replacing them with a couple of Thewell rough diamonds to even tread water.

Of course. No one is suggesting we sell two players and everything is fine. But it could be a method of starting to get things right, as well as a number of big earners leaving the club this summer.

Just going ''everything is fucked'' isn't really the right approach either.

[AjaxAndy]

We'd cope without Branthwaite and Onana, even though they are our best players. Onana is wasted in the type of football we play anyway, and there's tonnes of solid CBs around the league who could do a job with Tarkowski along side.

It's not the disaster that some people think, selling them both. It's one of our ways out of trouble. Thank fuck we have them to sell tbh. The key thing is the reinvestment. It has to be spot on.

If we sell both and have say £150m to reinvest we could easily buy 5 players with that money that would give us depth and premier league quality. Overall we'd be stronger even if we had less of that X factor potential for the future... Because let's face it they're both good players but their best years are ahead of them and they aren't phenomenal right now.

But I don't even know if we could spend the money... We'd be appeasing PSR, if 777 get the nod I pretty much guarantee they pocket all of that to repay what we owe them, and we'd be replacing with low cost or free punts.

The best teams at recruitment buy to sell and improve, we're buying to sell in order to stay afloat and try meet PSR requirements which is an almighty recipe for disaster.

[777Kidnappings]

Clubs in such a downward spiral tend to get owners that are progressively worse. We will really buck the trend if whoever comes in next sorts us out.

We also need to consider that when clubs with controlled finances get relegated from the PL there is major cost cutting to be done just to pay average PL contracts in the Championship.

It's going to take more than getting top dollar for a couple of young players and replacing them with a couple of Thewell rough diamonds to even tread water.

Feels like the only play from an investor now is administration. Probably be sensible to do it sooner rather than later rather than asset strip for a couple of years just to delay it. Even someone daft enough to want to throw billions at us would be put off by our ffp situation

[777Kidnappings]

If we sell both and have say £150m to reinvest we could easily buy 5 players with that money that would give us depth and premier league quality. Overall we'd be stronger even if we had less of that X factor potential for the future... Because let's face it they're both good players but their best years are ahead of them and they aren't phenomenal right now.

But I don't even know if we could spend the money... We'd be appeasing PSR, if 777 get the nod I pretty much guarantee they pocket all of that to repay what we owe them, and we'd be replacing with low cost or free punts.

The best teams at recruitment buy to sell and improve, we're buying to sell in order to stay afloat and try meet PSR requirements which is an almighty recipe for disaster.

We will need the 150m to cover losses otherwise we'll be posting losses of over 100m this time next year

[Bluedylan1]

If we sell both and have say £150m to reinvest we could easily buy 5 players with that money that would give us depth and premier league quality. Overall we'd be stronger even if we had less of that X factor potential for the future... Because let's face it they're both good players but their best years are ahead of them and they aren't phenomenal right now.

But I don't even know if we could spend the money... We'd be appeasing PSR, if 777 get the nod I pretty much guarantee they pocket all of that to repay what we owe them, and we'd be replacing with low cost or free punts.

The best teams at recruitment buy to sell and improve, we're buying to sell in order to stay afloat and try meet PSR requirements which is an almighty recipe for disaster.

My thinking is sell them for say somewhere between £150-180m and reinvest something like £40m on their replacements. Look, I know it's not easy to do that and not get worse, but that's the challenge isn't it? Other clubs find great deals, there's no reason we can't. We don't even use Onana properly, so that's not going to be a huge miss.

There's no reason we couldn't get Ross Barkley on a free for example. He's on about 40k a week at Luton. Maybe he would get a better club than us, but there are deals out there. We're just gonna have to be creative and better.

Maybe hire a manger who improves players and improves their values. Maybe that's another idea that other clubs do.