Relegation

[Bluedylan1]

Luton and Forest have 22 points from 30 games. I think both of them will do well to get over 30 points, in the remaining 8 games. Luton have got Arsenal away, City away, Wolves away, West Ham away.

So I think if we get 31/32 points, after deductions we probably stay up. Say we get a 2 point deduction, that leaves us needing 8/9 points from the remaining 9 games or thereabouts. If we can't do that, we deserve to be cast adrift. We're lucky it will take so few points to stay up.

[Evertonian in NC]

I'd be shocked if 30 points don't suffice. Maybe as low as 27-28.

[Shogun]

The Burnley match is huge. Don't win that and we're worried about them.

[Audrey Horne]

My faith in us turning this around lays more on Danjuma getting fit and at least providing us with a different type of threat more than it does on the manager doing anything radically different or the many players we have got that are majorly out of form suddenly turning it around

And that is as desperate as it sounds, as Danjuma has done absolutely nothing for us so far


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He also won’t be picked!

[Sir Stealth]

He also won’t be picked!

Well that’s also true!


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[AjaxAndy]

So I think if we get 31/32 points, after deductions we probably stay up. Say we get a 2 point deduction, that leaves us needing 8/9 points from the remaining 9 games or thereabouts. If we can't do that, we deserve to be cast adrift. We're lucky it will take so few points to stay up.

Which is why imo he's setting us up to try scrape draws or grab a flukey win.

He's not the kind of coach that would look at needing 9 points as 3 wins where we can go out and be attacking and not worry about losing games because we should get the 3 wins even if we lose every other game. Instead he'll see that as 4 draws and 2 wins, maybe 5 draws and one win and hope that's enough.

Not saying it's right, but probably explains the horrible unambitious shite we saw against Bournemouth and will likely see again tonight.

[Bluedylan1]

Which is why imo he's setting us up to try scrape draws or grab a flukey win.

He's not the kind of coach that would look at needing 9 points as 3 wins where we can go out and be attacking and not worry about losing games because we should get the 3 wins even if we lose every other game. Instead he'll see that as 4 draws and 2 wins, maybe 5 draws and one win and hope that's enough.

Not saying it's right, but probably explains the horrible unambitious shite we saw against Bournemouth and will likely see again tonight.

You could see it any way really. Like we've not won for 13 games. We could've won 2 or 3 of them, by being more pro-active and aggressive, and already be in a comfortable position.

I actually think Dyche thinks he's being risk-averse, but in actuality his approach is way more risky. If you never win a game once you go behind, then you're staking everything on going ahead and retaining your lead. Whereas if you have goals in you, you can overturn a deficit sometimes. You can go 2-0 up sometimes. Sure, you might lose some games comfortably, but so what. The psychological impact of knowing that anytime you concede the first goal in a game, it's probably over in that game must be hugely debilitating for our players. I think living on that knife edge in every game stops our players from trying things, and accounts for a lot of the players making the safe choice over and over again. You're playing in a state of perma-fear, the complete opposite to what you are meant to do with elite athletes. You are supposed to strip away their fears, and liberate them of any pressure you can.

I get that this is the way Dyche is, and hoping for it to change is like hoping for water to be dry, but I basically don't think Dyche is psychologically or emotionally intelligent, and I think it gets in his way.

[Evertonian in NC]

Under pressure, people always revert to their comfort zones. Which for Dyche is shit football. I'd still keep him through end of next season, but we don't want him building the squad in his own image.

[AjaxAndy]

You could see it any way really. Like we've not won for 13 games. We could've won 2 or 3 of them, by being more pro-active and aggressive, and already be in a comfortable position.

I actually think Dyche thinks he's being risk-averse, but in actuality his approach is way more risky. If you never win a game once you go behind, then you're staking everything on going ahead and retaining your lead. Whereas if you have goals in you, you can overturn a deficit sometimes. You can go 2-0 up sometimes. Sure, you might lose some games comfortably, but so what. The psychological impact of knowing that anytime you concede the first goal in a game, it's probably over in that game must be hugely debilitating for our players. I think living on that knife edge in every game stops our players from trying things, and accounts for a lot of the players making the safe choice over and over again. You're playing in a state of perma-fear, the complete opposite to what you are meant to do with elite athletes. You are supposed to strip away their fears, and liberate them of any pressure you can.

I get that this is the way Dyche is, and hoping for it to change is like hoping for water to be dry, but I basically don't think Dyche is psychologically or emotionally intelligent, and I think it gets in his way.

Yep fully agreed mate, can't fault anything you've said there.

[weimaranerblues]

4 cup finals Burnley, Forest Luton Sheff Utd need to win all 4

[777Kidnappings]

Under pressure, people always revert to their comfort zones. Which for Dyche is shit football. I'd still keep him through end of next season, but we don't want him building the squad in his own image.

Haha building the squad. We need to make 100m a season from sales just to avoid yearly points deductions. Its a steaming pile of shit that's on fire. Not sure how build on that

[Cantoffee]

4 cup finals Burnley, Forest Luton Sheff Utd need to win all 4

We definitely don't need to win all 4. Probably be fine with 3 draws and 1 win vs Luton or some other combination. Winning all 4 would guarantee safety but I don't see how we're going to win all 4, just not realistic.

[superpull]

4 cup finals Burnley, Forest Luton Sheff Utd need to win all 4

8 points and something from the Brentford game is the target for staying up.

[CannockPricey]

It's just impossible to work out what we need until the points deduction hits. A point at Newcastle followed by a win v Burnley would be an excellent return in fairness but the panel could wipe that out.

I definitely see tonight as a positive result but the sooner the decision over deductions and appeals is finalised the better for all the teams down there. It's not fair on any of the sides down there. It's an absolute farce that we are 30+ games into a season before any clubs know what us and Forest effectively started on.

[Cantoffee]

This weekend is a big chance. I dont like to say something is a must win but huge opportunity to get some space between us and those below (second deduction not withstanding).

Home to Burnley, Forest away to Spurs and Luton away to Arsenal.

Win would put us 4 clear of Forest with a game in hand and 7 clear of Luton with a game in hand. With Luton having 6 matches left after that it would be a long way back to close a 7 point gap (again, second potential deduction not withstanding).