Next Everton Manager

[TheRam]

Maybe you're judging this seasons underperformance against last seasons over performance? Rather than against par

Nope. Just judging the manager objectively.

Three points off the bottom three at Christmas with three of the current top six in our next three games.

I don’t see this as par at all. Both Benitez and Lampard were sacked for having us in a similar position.

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Onana Vs Mangala - draw.
Godfrey Vs O'Brien - Godfrey played more and so contributed more.
Ndaiye Vs Danjuma - Ndaiye all day.

That leaves:

Iroebugnam who's contributed almost nothing

Broja who hasn't played until a couple of cameos late in game recently so can't really be included in the conversation thus far.

Lindstrom who has been really poor.

I'm not sure the squad is actually any better overall. We've swapped a poor utility player for one who doesn't play, two similar output CMs for each other, brought in a PSR fudge CM who looked like he had potential for the future before being injured for most of the season, a striker who was injured for the first 13 games, and Ndaiye who does genuinely add something that strengthens us.

On top of that Branthwaite has either been injured so we've had to play Keane or looked really rusty once back.

Before anyone turns this in to anything about Dyche I'm not referring to our performances or points gained, or anything to do with the manager's performance... This is purely about if during the first 15 games of this season the squad has been substantially better. It arguably hasn't been, possibly not even stronger at all, definitely not weaker, probably on par.

That's a long winded way of agreeing with me surely?

The difference between Danjumas and Ndiaye is greater than the difference between Godfrey and O'Briens?

Iroegbunam has contributed more than his predecessor did.

Branthwaite was out for a similar amount of time at the start of last season too.

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Actually, I take it all back. Genuinely.

Just checked and we're 3 points better off after 15 games this season. (It's the drop from -2gd to -7gd that has maybe given the impression we've been doing way worse).

[777Kidnappings]

Nope. Just judging the manager objectively.

Three points off the bottom three at Christmas with three of the current top six in our next three games.

I don’t see this as par at all. Both Benitez and Lampard were sacked for having us in a similar position.

I'm not saying it's par but your judging it against last seasons overperformance rather than where we actually are.

Benitez was sacked after 4pts in 9 games (might have been 11) lampard on a similar run. Neither had any credit in the bank. We've had more years of cost cutting since then. Dyche is on 4pts from the last 2 games.

I'm sorry but this is absolutely not the same as benitez and lampard and suggesting its remotely similar to me shows your bias

[TheRam]

Actually, I take it all back. Genuinely.

Just checked and we're 3 points better off after 15 games this season. (It's the drop from -2gd to -7gd that has maybe given the impression we've been doing way worse).

We were deducted 10 points last season.

We had 26 points at Christmas without the deduction.

It would have had us in 9th.

[TheRam]

I'm not saying it's par but your judging it against last seasons overperformance rather than where we actually are.

Benitez was sacked after 4pts in 9 games (might have been 11) lampard on a similar run. Neither had any credit in the bank. We've had more years of cost cutting since then. Dyche is on 4pts from the last 2 games.

I'm sorry but this is absolutely not the same as benitez and lampard and suggesting its remotely similar to me shows your bias

No bias here.

You can see my posts throughout the dyche thread to see that.

I’m not going to ignore what I’ve seen on the pitch this season and completely stick to my guns.

Benitez and Lampard were sacked when we were in a similar position in the league.

We are where we are because we picked up one point in the first five games despite having the easiest fixture list.

We’ve won two games all season to two of the only teams even worse than us.

We failed to beat Brentford at home with an extra man.

We’ve blew two two goal leads.

We’ve lost 4-0 twice.

We’ve lost to Southampton

We’ve had our easy run of fixtures and haven’t picked up enough points.

Now we’re in a situation where we’re needing to pick up unlikely results to stay away from trouble.

It’s been terrible. Massive improvement needed if dyche wants to stick around.

[AjaxAndy]

That's a long winded way of agreeing with me surely?

The difference between Danjumas and Ndiaye is greater than the difference between Godfrey and O'Briens?

Iroegbunam has contributed more than his predecessor did.

Branthwaite was out for a similar amount of time at the start of last season too.

I don't think so

Ndaiye definitely is a step up from Danjuma at least in terms of involvement, I have no idea who the actual better player is so basing it purely on contribution. Ndaiye is a key player for us.

I don't think Tim has actually contributed anything, maybe one for the future but he only played a few games and I'd say Garner is better than him but been out injured so that's a negative for the squad argument imo.

Branthwaite missed 2 games at the start of the season, he's missed more this season by a decent whack and has looked out of sorts in those he's played Vs being a pivotal player last season.

Doucoure has dropped off massively too but I didn't include him before as really just wanted to focus on those who came in and went out.

The squad with everyone fit and firing has more depth than last season which I think is what people focus on, but when it includes the likes of Broja who didn't kick a ball for 13 games and isn't match fit it shows the comparison isn't really accurate.

I'd say from last season the only player who improves us is Ndaiye based on the first 15 games, but we've had Branthwaite injured or below par, Doucoure not the player he was, Garner out injured... It probably balances out to being about the same overall thus far.

[Kerryblueboy]

We haven't been very good for years starting this spell of not being very good with the 2nd half of ancelottis last season. Of course the players aren't very good.

I’m highlighting the fact that a couple of ye are saying our squad is weaker this season which it isn’t but ye are entitled to that opinion

[777Kidnappings]

No bias here.

You can see my posts throughout the dyche thread to see that.

I’m not going to ignore what I’ve seen on the pitch this season and completely stick to my guns.

Benitez and Lampard were sacked when we were in a similar position in the league.

We are where we are because we picked up one point in the first five games despite having the easiest fixture list.

We’ve won two games all season to two of the only teams even worse than us.

We failed to beat Brentford at home with an extra man.

We’ve blew two two goal leads.

We’ve lost 4-0 twice.

We’ve lost to Southampton

We’ve had our easy run of fixtures and haven’t picked up enough points.

Now we’re in a situation where we’re needing to pick up unlikely results to stay away from trouble.

It’s been terrible. Massive improvement needed if dyche wants to stick around.

Are we really comparing dyche to benitez and lampard now. I'm not sure either were sacked for their league position either. They were sacked because we were getting lucky and still only averaging about half a point a game over a sustained period. You're talking about sacking a manager who's won 4pts in 2 games against a manager who won 4 in his last 9

We've got 15 in 15. I'm not sure people outside of our fans would think that's significantly short of what expected. It's not been a dreadful season against expectation it's just that we continue to be dreadful

[777Kidnappings]

I’m highlighting the fact that a couple of ye are saying our squad is weaker this season which it isn’t but ye are entitled to that opinion

I think people are just saying there's not much in it. I don't think that's wrong. Doubt anyone is looking at our signings and feel they missed out. Plus other teams improved too.

[Kerryblueboy]

I think he has way better options this season but is choosing to stay with the ones he favours madness that he dropped mangala in favour of Doucoure in a 2 for example also could have played young left back and put Patterson in when we looked way short of pace and ideas but his stubbornness always wins out

[TheRam]

Are we really comparing dyche to benitez and lampard now. I'm not sure either were sacked for their league position either. They were sacked because we were getting lucky and still only averaging about half a point a game over a sustained period. You're talking about sacking a manager who's won 4pts in 2 games against a manager who won 4 in his last 9

We've got 15 in 15. I'm not sure people outside of our fans would think that's significantly short of what expected. It's not been a dreadful season against expectation it's just that we continue to be dreadful

Like the other fella, your hypersensitivity with anything regarding dyche is making you miss the point.

I’m not comparing him to Lampard or Benitez. I’m simply saying they were both sacked for being in a similar if not better position than where we are now, so why is dyche such a safe pair of hands?

Big couple of weeks for him if he wants to be here for the rest of the season.

[777Kidnappings]

Like the other fella, your hypersensitivity with anything regarding dyche is making you miss the point.

I’m not comparing him to Lampard or Benitez. I’m simply saying they were both sacked for being in a similar if not better position than where we are now, so why is dyche such a safe pair of hands?

Big couple of weeks for him if he wants to be here for the rest of the season.

I'm not remotely sensitive. Benitez and lampard weren't sacked for their league positions. We'd have taken 4th bottom the seasons they were sacked.

He's a safe pair of hands because he managers the team with the smallest budget and survives 3 times out of 4.

We've got 15 from 15. How many points were you expecting given you feel this season is a disaster.

Would you take dyche and 4th bottom now?? For me all that matters is we are a premier league team next season. I wouldn't take any risk to that for more this season

[TheRam]

I'm not remotely sensitive. Benitez and lampard weren't sacked for their league positions. We'd have taken 4th bottom the seasons they were sacked.

He's a safe pair of hands because he managers the team with the smallest budget and survives 3 times out of 4.

We've got 15 from 15. How many points were you expecting given you feel this season is a disaster.

Would you take dyche and 4th bottom now?? For me all that matters is we are a premier league team next season. I wouldn't take any risk to that for more this season

What on Earth were they sacked for then?

And no, I wouldn’t take that. I think that would be a terrible season. He’s gone if he doesn’t move us out of the relegation scrap.

His job is to keep us out of trouble. It’s not to get us into trouble then claim credit because there’s been three worse teams than us.

[Kerryblueboy]

I'm not remotely sensitive. Benitez and lampard weren't sacked for their league positions. We'd have taken 4th bottom the seasons they were sacked.

He's a safe pair of hands because he managers the team with the smallest budget and survives 3 times out of 4.

We've got 15 from 15. How many points were you expecting given you feel this season is a disaster.

Would you take dyche and 4th bottom now?? For me all that matters is we are a premier league team next season. I wouldn't take any risk to that for more this season

They weren’t sacked for the league position and we in the bottom three you have outdone yourself here