brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:55 pm
It's definitely a worry that someone like dyche who you'd probably characterise as like a strong willed and stubborn character, has been like 'i can't do any more here'.
Not even like 'we need a winger! Get me a striker!' just....nah I can't do anything else with this lot.
I'm not sure he would admit that because it implies the team's not good enough and ask for money. Or, he's saying it's him and I doubt that. He doesn't lose here and he knows he'll get another job easily. Look at Frank...
777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:44 am
Me too. Totally agree.
People keep claiming it was our chance to kick on though. Thems the ambitions I'm questioning
Get to the end of the season and survive, rebuild in the summer as best we can, be pragmatic and solid but with a better goal threat and finish around mid table. That's the expectations I have for Moyes, I don't think we should be in another scrap next year with him in charge but I also think we'll all still not really enjoy watching us play.
777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:32 am
A club with ambitions but no money or hierarchy or any great quality. A moto and a dream and he just didn't push us on.
Think our ambitions are at odds with everything what's actually going on at the club up to now
Gash wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:58 am
Think that's what the meeting was about on Monday, to discuss January business. Clearly things went south pretty quickly and the decision was made to move on from him.
When he constantly referenced not scoring and it being an issue as long as he's been here then it's a bit of an admission that even 2 years in he doesn't know how to fix it so there wasn't a chance he was suddenly going to manage with 6 months to go.
on your latter point, this is what pisses me off, its not true, even under him theyve been much better. He was saying that its been this way for 5 years, bollocks, in 20/21 they scored nearly 70 goals and DCL got 21
last 18 months we are bottom of league for goals scored in open play, with 24, next worse is west ham with 60. More than double. The RS are top with over 130, its really quite shocking, especially when you realise we arent scoring from set pieces anymore either
Got a message off my Sunderland supporting mate yesterday absolutely perplexed we'd got rid of Dyche. Just shows how it's impossible for anyone really to understand another club to the one they don't support.
I think it's generally seen that if you're in a relegation dogfight you need someone like Dyche to get the team battling hard and being tough to beat, but what people fail to recognise that you don't need to thing that's got you in to that mess in the first place. You can't just stick with a failing manager because he's done well in that situation before.
brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:55 pm
It's definitely a worry that someone like dyche who you'd probably characterise as like a strong willed and stubborn character, has been like 'i can't do any more here'.
Not even like 'we need a winger! Get me a striker!' just....nah I can't do anything else with this lot.
I wonder what got him to that point this season. Realistically some players have been off it compared to past season but there has to be more to it for him to reach that point.
Seems more likely he really had lost the changing room and they weren't willing to do what he wanted or responding to his 'methods'.
UnsyisaRhino wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:40 pm
I wonder what got him to that point this season. Realistically some players have been off it compared to past season but there has to be more to it for him to reach that point.
Seems more likely he really had lost the changing room and they weren't willing to do what he wanted or responding to his 'methods'.
I don't think it's helped that Doucoure who was the most important cog in the machine coming back from the summer half the player he was.
I also think maybe last season just took too much out of everyone including Dyche. Players couldn't run as much, the intensity wasn't there, Dyche couldn't motivate them the same way. Just an all round slump from giving so much last year.
Then add in a stubborn manager with only one way of playing and it just becomes a mess. You can't just keep demanding the same thing over and over once it stops working, and I think the players probably found it demotivating in the end rather than pushing them on.
UnsyisaRhino wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:45 pm
To be fair there are 4 or 5 people jabbing at him and arguing with points he's not making in some cases.
It's weird cos I genuinely don't even care. My only real arguments are he did a good job for a time and I don't think he's a cunt.
We didn't want him here. The club didn't want him here. People are now upset because he didn't much want to be here too. I find it all a bit odd. We'd all have been horrified if we'd backed him with players he actually wanted. Feels like everyone has won and oddly almost everyone is still upset about it
