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Cods wrote: Sun Dec 28, 2025 11:33 am We've spent 40% less (£110m) than the average league spend (£155m) in the last window, and we had to deal with potentially a dozen first team players departing (far more than any other team) as out of contract, and we're currently 2 places better off in the league than we finished last season.

This after the biggest 5 year fire sale of players in all of England and most of Europe.

Even in simple terms we've improved in the short term. Context matters.

Roma wasn't built in a day.
We have kept pace with how we were going the second half of last season, statistically. The window enabled us to stand still whilst not really getting anything from £75m - £100m of our summer signings.

That being said we need a new left back. The two we have either aren't good enough or not ready.
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Bumble wrote: Sun Dec 28, 2025 11:44 am We have kept pace with how we were going the second half of last season, statistically. The window enabled us to stand still whilst not really getting anything from £75m - £100m of our summer signings.

That being said we need a new left back. The two we have either aren't good enough or not ready.
"Yet"

I don't disagree with the need to continue to build, and holes in the squad remain, but a bit of nuance was missing from the discussion.

Availability of targetted players, unattractive/risky destination for bigger players, new recruitment team, moving stadium, change of ownership, complete backroom restructure...are some of the valid reasons why all problems weren't solved, so in some cases we just had to do what we could.

We've still spent 40% less than the league average just in this last window. That's a big difference.

The average net spend of the top half over the last 5 years is over half a billion each (whilst we're effectively net zero over this same period), so we're still massively overperforming with the proper context.

Arguments without this context are borderline disingenuous.
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Cods wrote: Sun Dec 28, 2025 12:08 pm "Yet"

I don't disagree with the need to continue to build, and holes in the squad remain, but a bit of nuance was missing from the discussion.

Availability of targetted players, unattractive/risky destination for bigger players, new recruitment team, moving stadium, change of ownership, complete backroom restructure...are some of the valid reasons why all problems weren't solved, so in some cases we just had to do what we could.

We've still spent 40% less than the league average just in this last window. That's a big difference.

The average net spend of the top half over the last 5 years is over half a billion each (whilst we're effectively net zero over this same period), so we're still massively overperforming with the proper context.

Arguments without this context are borderline disingenuous.

Im not debating our position or results. Im debating the contribution or lack there of of our new signings
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777Kidnappings wrote: Sun Dec 28, 2025 7:41 pm Im not debating our position or results. Im debating the contribution or lack there of of our new signings
Grealish: Loan (fee likely) Great first half of season, transforms us vs last season. No pace but changes and much improves how we play. Creator. Ball magnet, Statement signing signalling the new era, marketing asset. Probably get him for a cut down fee, not open market rates (which would be a financial masterstroke) if we want to keep him and still feel he's worth it. (8/10)

Barry: £25.5m: slow start but improving in his < 10 games. Hasn't made the position his own, but then neither has anyone since Lukaku. Glimpses of clever touch and interplay but needs to do more. Has time on his side having just turned 23. Will benefit from an improving squad around him and a better midfield (5.5/10)

Dewsbury Hall: £24.5m: seemingly better than your average championship player despite almost being prematurely written off. Even if the fee was closer to 30m he has just about proven his worth. We've seen what he is capable of. Small in stature, but competes, the glue, leadership, engine and a brain in the middle of the park. "Oh, so this is how you play football" Important player as we transition to a better quality squad. (8.5/10)

Aznou: £7.5m and no financial risk 'one for the future signing', 19yo international, not ready. Guide him well, Leighton. (N/A)

Dibling: £34.5m also only 19, big potential, larger fee:larger financial risk, glimpses of quality but no minutes. One for the future as much as for today. Will need minutes and better game awareness, will get the former when he's ready, and the latter should follow. (N/A)

Alcaraz: 15m, we know what we get with him, low risk ultimately bench impact player, squad filler. (5.5/10)

Röhl: 23 No risk, good profile in a new league, could have something. (6.5/10)

Retention: kept one of the best CB groups in the league, for now and for the future, and kept arguably the best winger in the league in NDiaye, and let a lot of the old/dead wood/high earners leave. (9/10)

Still need a right back as despite being pretty solid at the back with Jake, we're not getting much down the right at all and its impacting our play. Midfield and left back options are limited, improvement needed here.

So we've significantly improved the wide areas, and in the attacking midfield role, we're attempting to bed in a new striker (through necessity rather than choice)

Overall the window maybe a 7/10. But in light of all the off field turmoil and restrictions, perhaps an 8.5/10?
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Thats a good write up.

I think N/A because we havent used them much, is a default negative for me. Given our off-field turmoil, as you mention, its not really a time for speculative long term signings. Also you consider retention, which I agree was good, but it doesnt take into account the issue with failing to plug gaps.. (full backs obvs). My view

1. Grealish 7 great, but limited long term potential.
2. Barry 5.5
3. KDH 8.5 love him, little diamond, great age.
4. Aznou 3 (10 million that could have gone on a prem ready FB)
5. Dibling 5 cost a lot of money, not played.
6. Alcaraz 6, back up to KDH, solid enough signing.
7. Röhl 5 injured , not contributed.
8. Contract renewals 8 Keane, Gana, both good.
9. Squad gaps 3 fullbacks been glaring.

Total 51

Without giving weighting to one signing over another, the Average is 5.7. I'd say 6 is about right personally.

I think our team performance 1st half of 25/26 is about on par with our performances the 2nd half of 24/25. KDH is the one signing who has so far proven his long term 1st team worth.
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Matt1878 wrote: Sun Dec 28, 2025 10:48 pm Thats a good write up.

I think N/A because we havent used them much, is a default negative for me. Given our off-field turmoil, as you mention, its not really a time for speculative long term signings. Also you consider retention, which I agree was good, but it doesnt take into account the issue with failing to plug gaps.. (full backs obvs). My view

1. Grealish 7 great, but limited long term potential.
2. Barry 5.5
3. KDH 8.5 love him, little diamond, great age.
4. Aznou 3 (10 million that could have gone on a prem ready FB)
5. Dibling 5 cost a lot of money, not played.
6. Alcaraz 6, back up to KDH, solid enough signing.
7. Röhl 5 injured , not contributed.
8. Contract renewals 8 Keane, Gana, both good.
9. Squad gaps 3 fullbacks been glaring.

Total 51

Without giving weighting to one signing over another, the Average is 5.7. I'd say 6 is about right personally.

I think our team performance 1st half of 25/26 is about on par with our performances the 2nd half of 24/25. KDH is the one signing who has so far proven his long term 1st team worth.
Just a couple of points, largely agree to yours here but think your scores are a bit low based upon what we could have realistically expected. (EDIT: sorry for the essay/ramble)

Can we judge Grealish's long term value to us if we can't consider Dibling's? Dibling's 'large' fee is reflective of his future value to us.

With the ball I think he'll be superb (especially with good players around him, which he just has not had here or at Southampton). Without it, he needs to work on it.

His signing is considerably better than those from times past for similar value that we completely lost out on. There is at least a semblance of a plan with him, how long the manager takes to get him integrated is not a huge issue for me, and think it's actually beneficial to his long term progression. He cant be expected to be played ahead of two of the best wide players in the league, and he's not yet been exposed to maybe where he might end up, more central. The time will come, and he'll likely be ready (and we won't need to dip into the transfer market when it comes). Asset.

We also don't know who we went in for and missed out on (excl Tete), ie. which club and/or player turned us down. I'd much rather have gone for exciting and new/future than a moderate £ who is on the way down, we've already got that with Grealish and some other first team players and would find ourselves in the same position in 12-24 months. The value and resale had to be there. A mix of experience is fine.

It worked with Branthwaite, he was far from ready, and injury aside it's been a masterstroke. Had we not thought of the future when we were in a much worse position just think where we'd have been now. Had we judged him as harshly (we did) at the time of his signing...

With the kids I would include a 'weighting' along with the 'rating', as you say. Minimal pressure or expectation on the kids, but on KDH and Grealish, definitely full weighting.

I suspect we're holding out for high quality full backs given we'd missed out on stop-gap-but-solid Tete. Yes we have taken a punt on a kid international but I think he'll be second choice behind who will be the more experienced new starter, and hopefully ultimately the incumbent. (We should never have sold Digne)

We could have gone for average/good, Van Ewijk who had been mentioned but it would have been 20m+ (EPL tax), even if he wanted to come to us, as Coventry were actually after £15m from Wolfsburg for him. He'll be in the league in 6 months anyway so probably would have turned us down. I've not heard many other names mentioned (apart from the fanciful or unlikely) that were available and wanted us. They might now. List of reasonable ready-to-go full back targets that fit the profile for circa 20m please? :)

We hadn't the budget for a complete overhaul in one window, just impossible. And I think some are impatiently judging it less than 6 months in.

Had we not signed a striker when we signed Barry (and Beto perhaps moreso) the fans would've ripped down the new stadium. It's like that with fullbacks now, understandibly.

Moyes accepted we could get by with what we got even though he obviously wanted more, and wanted it yesterday, like we all do.

Retention of Branthwaite and NDiaye was massive. (actually, 10/10)

Lucky we kept Keane and Gana as you say. We were apparently already scouting for a young CB replacement. (Bournemouth's 18yo Serbian who played against us was one option Moyes was considering)

6/10 would suggest to me we could have had a much more fruitful window. I'd like to know more about what that picture might have looked like, and how we might have acheived it.
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Cods wrote: Sun Dec 28, 2025 10:13 pm Grealish: Loan (fee likely) Great first half of season, transforms us vs last season. No pace but changes and much improves how we play. Creator. Ball magnet, Statement signing signalling the new era, marketing asset. Probably get him for a cut down fee, not open market rates (which would be a financial masterstroke) if we want to keep him and still feel he's worth it. (8/10)

Barry: £25.5m: slow start but improving in his < 10 games. Hasn't made the position his own, but then neither has anyone since Lukaku. Glimpses of clever touch and interplay but needs to do more. Has time on his side having just turned 23. Will benefit from an improving squad around him and a better midfield (5.5/10)

Dewsbury Hall: £24.5m: seemingly better than your average championship player despite almost being prematurely written off. Even if the fee was closer to 30m he has just about proven his worth. We've seen what he is capable of. Small in stature, but competes, the glue, leadership, engine and a brain in the middle of the park. "Oh, so this is how you play football" Important player as we transition to a better quality squad. (8.5/10)

Aznou: £7.5m and no financial risk 'one for the future signing', 19yo international, not ready. Guide him well, Leighton. (N/A)

Dibling: £34.5m also only 19, big potential, larger fee:larger financial risk, glimpses of quality but no minutes. One for the future as much as for today. Will need minutes and better game awareness, will get the former when he's ready, and the latter should follow. (N/A)

Alcaraz: 15m, we know what we get with him, low risk ultimately bench impact player, squad filler. (5.5/10)

Röhl: 23 No risk, good profile in a new league, could have something. (6.5/10)

Retention: kept one of the best CB groups in the league, for now and for the future, and kept arguably the best winger in the league in NDiaye, and let a lot of the old/dead wood/high earners leave. (9/10)

Still need a right back as despite being pretty solid at the back with Jake, we're not getting much down the right at all and its impacting our play. Midfield and left back options are limited, improvement needed here.

So we've significantly improved the wide areas, and in the attacking midfield role, we're attempting to bed in a new striker (through necessity rather than choice)

Overall the window maybe a 7/10. But in light of all the off field turmoil and restrictions, perhaps an 8.5/10?

We dont own grealish and given that hes 30 and will want about 200k a week we probably never should. Hes an amazing player but hes not the direct pacy winger we needed. His quality negates the fact that his profile fixed none of our major problems. Little confused as to how he transforms us when we arent transformed. Are we even averaging more points with grealish then without under moyes? Imagine its quite close

KDH is very good

The rest its a mix of not really a lot of risk and they are getting better (without any evidence of them getting better)

In terms of individuals it might very well be a 7 out of 10 but in terms of what it actually fixed its much lower. No pace, no goal scorer, no right back. We got nothing what we needed. Not for now and probably not for later. Im assuming dibbling isn't going to get much quicker
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Cods wrote: Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:44 am Can we judge Grealish's long term value to us if we can't consider Dibling's? Dibling's 'large' fee is reflective of his future value to us.
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Retention of Branthwaite and NDiaye was massive. (actually, 10/10)
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6/10 would suggest to me we could have had a much more fruitful window. I'd like to know more about what that picture might have looked like, and how we might have acheived it.
I had Branthwaite resigning before the transfer window in my head, but just checked and yeah should have mentioned him too, good point.

We"re probably just differing based on prioritisation of youth and development. I absolutely want to see Everton buy players ahead of the curve and develop them, but it was just a season too soon for me. The initial investment, I'd like to have gone purely on players to boost the starting line up and squad depth, get ourselves as far up the table as we can to bring in that extra revenue and then think about a slush fund for prospecting on youth.

So I dont see Dibling or Aznou, especially, as a waste of money, just badly timed really. I think we're trying to run before we can walk.

So yeah my 6 is purely based on what I felt our priorities were and not highly rating players until I have had a decent look at them.
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200k, ha ha, where did you dream that up from
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