Wonder if he'd of had similar success with the likes of Keane, Ali and Beto. They spent well regardless who bought themPaddockoldie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 6:40 pm I don't think Nuno bought any of them. He just knows how to use them maybe?
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That Bournemouth game really set us back. Dyche wobbled after that, I can imagine his head going in the dressing room and it all kicking off.
It was our first good performance after a shite start that was supposed to help us turn a corner, but ended up being embarrassing and demoralising. There were definitely some falling outs and crossed words.
It was our first good performance after a shite start that was supposed to help us turn a corner, but ended up being embarrassing and demoralising. There were definitely some falling outs and crossed words.
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Yeah, he shit himself.The Doc wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:02 pm That Bournemouth game really set us back. Dyche wobbled after that, I can imagine his head going in the dressing room and it all kicking off.
It was our first good performance after a shite start that was supposed to help us turn a corner, but ended up being embarrassing and demoralising. There were definitely some falling outs and crossed words.
It’s a shame he didn’t decide to focus on and refine the performance of the first 80 odd minutes.
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The season so far has not been great and worse had a fair few notable kicks in the balls the way we've dropped points. I don't think it's all his fault, but fair or not the manager always carries the can in situations like this.
I personally lean towards giving him leeway still (as unlike previous managers of late) it feels like he earned it with how he managed to keep things afloat with the points deduction and the checked out ownership. My feelings about how he did in that period are (currently) stronger to how this season has gone so far.
That said, it's not super easy to be comfortable in that decision though with us sat just about the relegation zone.
I personally lean towards giving him leeway still (as unlike previous managers of late) it feels like he earned it with how he managed to keep things afloat with the points deduction and the checked out ownership. My feelings about how he did in that period are (currently) stronger to how this season has gone so far.
That said, it's not super easy to be comfortable in that decision though with us sat just about the relegation zone.
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I was actually gonna moan that everyone’s made it about Dyche again. Then I read my post back. Fuck me!AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 6:24 pm It's not necessarily about who is the best we can get right now though... We all want a change, literally every single person on here wants a different manager to be in charge when the first ball at BMD is kicked.
It's just about ensuring that when we make the change we give ourselves the best chance of getting the right person.
Someone with a radically different style of play and a set philosophy might not be a great appointment right now but would be amazing in the summer. Someone like Moyes might end up getting the job if we changed now.
If you gave everyone the opportunity to change to the perfect manager right now who could get these players playing well and then rebuild in the summer it's a unanimous vote for doing that, I'd absolutely snap your hand off for it.
But the reality is the best time to do all this is the summer or towards the end of the season if we're safe. We don't waste money on paying Dyche off, we don't limit ourselves to just those willing to take a job mid season, and we don't risk bringing someone in who needs time to bed in and get their philosophy across.
Nothing but the best is still a very long way away, we need to slowly build the foundations to progress from. The ideal way to achieve that is to see the season through and not make any major changes until it's the best time to do so if possible.
I want next season to be fantastic, and making the right decisions at the right time imo is key for that to happen.
Anyway, my original point was, before I derailed it myself - I understand we are in Operation Reach BMD a PL club, BUT why would you ever snap a hand off for 17th at the start of the season? Especially after last season we did so well despite the deductions.
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Haha easily done mateToddacelli wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:04 am I was actually gonna moan that everyone’s made it about Dyche again. Then I read my post back. Fuck me!If you’re not part of the solution…
Anyway, my original point was, before I derailed it myself - I understand we are in Operation Reach BMD a PL club, BUT why would you ever snap a hand off for 17th at the start of the season? Especially after last season we did so well despite the deductions.
I wouldn't snap anyone's hand off for 17th personally, relative comfortable safety is what I want. I don't think we need to do much to achieve that given how bad some other teams are, but also we need to do more than we have so far this season.
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Toddacelli wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:04 am I was actually gonna moan that everyone’s made it about Dyche again. Then I read my post back. Fuck me!If you’re not part of the solution…
Anyway, my original point was, before I derailed it myself - I understand we are in Operation Reach BMD a PL club, BUT why would you ever snap a hand off for 17th at the start of the season? Especially after last season we did so well despite the deductions.
I thought we'd do better than 17th but ultimately all that matters is we get through the next couple of years as a premier league club. Then we can look towards a better future where we hopefully won't ever be in a relegation battle again.
We've had a few years where everton have been a constant source of worry and stress. Where we've wondered if we'll be a premier league club or fall through the leagues. Ultimately 12th or 17th doesn't make much difference to our future. 18th would be a disaster
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I'd disagree, I think it makes a huge difference where finish between 12th and 17th. It determines who we buy, for example feeling safe enough to give youngsters minutes ans develop them, sending others out on loan for a few months, panic buys to pull away from the drop.777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:38 am I thought we'd do better than 17th but ultimately all that matters is we get through the next couple of years as a premier league club. Then we can look towards a better future where we hopefully won't ever be in a relegation battle again.
We've had a few years where everton have been a constant source of worry and stress. Where we've wondered if we'll be a premier league club or fall through the leagues. Ultimately 12th or 17th doesn't make much difference to our future. 18th would be a disaster
More breathing space equals better decisions for the future.
It affects who we can attract to the club at many levels. People dont want to join a sinking ship, but if we look to be on the up it's a different story.
That's just a couple of ripples that should be considered, it important not to accept the level we're at, we need to improve even if it's small and incremental each season. In fact that's the only feasible way out of this mess.
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12th with new owners gives us a really nice platform to build from.
17th would be a complete reset. It would suggest the players and manager (which wouldn’t be dyche at that point) have massively underperformed.
Big difference. Not to mention the prize money.
17th would be a complete reset. It would suggest the players and manager (which wouldn’t be dyche at that point) have massively underperformed.
Big difference. Not to mention the prize money.
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This was my point. We deserve better, we’re capable of better. Every point gained and every place up the table is important. We have a great opportunity with BND but it would be better to arrive there building on one or two key foundations than starting a brand new rebuild.
We did ok last season when you take all the madness into account - maybe even did well. Why was the expectation after that set so slow as survival by goal difference would be something we would snap your hand off for? We should always be looking to build, to grow to improve. Nothing But The Best Is Good Enough.
We did ok last season when you take all the madness into account - maybe even did well. Why was the expectation after that set so slow as survival by goal difference would be something we would snap your hand off for? We should always be looking to build, to grow to improve. Nothing But The Best Is Good Enough.
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It would be rude to leave out AmorinblueToffee wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:12 pm Counterbalanced by new manager slump at Leicester at least.