Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[Bob Sacamano]

lol oh dear

[Sir Stealth]

If you look at it from a purely business perspective then yeah but a football club is different. I’m not sure how you can’t see that.

Hypothetical: We agree a deal for £37m with Newcastle but he refuses to go because his agent agrees a better deal for him if he waits for his contract to end. In this scenario there’s no new owner and we need the money or go into administration. We get the 9 point deduction and have to sell anyone we can get money for. We then get relegated. Is he a snake?

Even in that situation I’d still put the blame on us for waiting til this close to the end of his contract. You put yourself in a vulnerable position if you leave it til the last year of a contract. They should have been doing this last year. Hopefully moving forward with the new owners we do better in these type of situations

The whole of the football world know that if a player enters his final year of his contract then you aren’t gonna maximise the transfer fee for them

In this situation though, it’s the fact that Newcastle aren’t paying what we are asking for that the move isn’t happening, if we agree on a price he will move. And honestly 37million isn’t good value as a buying club for someone injury prone in the last year of their contract. But it’s not as if DCL is allowed to negotiate the transfer fee between the 2 clubs is he


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[Toddacelli]

If you look at it from a purely business perspective then yeah but a football club is different. I’m not sure how you can’t see that.

Hypothetical: We agree a deal for £37m with Newcastle but he refuses to go because his agent agrees a better deal for him if he waits for his contract to end. In this scenario there’s no new owner and we need the money or go into administration. We get the 9 point deduction and have to sell anyone we can get money for. We then get relegated. Is he a snake?

Hypothetical: You’re a welder and you agree to a fixed term contract on a North Sea oil rig for 5 years. You agree to it because it’s a good development opportunity for your welding skills and you want to learn underwater welding while you are there, which will increase your worth so you will be in a good position to go to the next stage of your career and maybe earn a lot more money in the Middle East or somewhere else of your choice for you and your family. You’re a good worker and always put in a shift, but the company you work for has been run by imbeciles and they are a bit of a nightmare to work for. At the end of your agreed five years you will be looking forward to a change of job, routine, climate, scenery etc.
Just before your contract is up, your company says that to stop them going under, they have agreed a deal with an Antarctic mining company for your services on another 5 year deal but sub-contracted by them. The money the Antarctic mining co will pay for this will keep the oil rig co from going into administration and your whole family has to move there for another 5 years.

Is it on you to save this company? Are you a snake?

And yes I can see how football clubs are different, there is so much more complexity and nuance involved but if you want to reduce this to a binary ‘is he a snake - yes or no?’ then I have to say no. Because he isn’t.

It’s called ‘honouring a contract’ for a very specific reason. Why do you think that is? Why the word ‘honour’? Are snakes known for their honour?

[cassius]

Hypothetical: You’re a welder and you agree to a fixed term contract on a North Sea oil rig for 5 years. You agree to it because it’s a good development opportunity for your welding skills and you want to learn underwater welding while you are there, which will increase your worth so you will be in a good position to go to the next stage of your career and maybe earn a lot more money in the Middle East or somewhere else of your choice for you and your family. You’re a good worker and always put in a shift, but the company you work for has been run by imbeciles and they are a bit of a nightmare to work for. At the end of your agreed five years you will be looking forward to a change of job, routine, climate, scenery etc.
Just before your contract is up, your company says that to stop them going under, they have agreed a deal with an Antarctic mining company for your services on another 5 year deal but sub-contracted by them. The money the Antarctic mining co will pay for this will keep the oil rig co from going into administration and your whole family has to move there for another 5 years.

Is it on you to save this company? Are you a snake?

And yes I can see how football clubs are different, there is so much more complexity and nuance involved but if you want to reduce this to a binary ‘is he a snake - yes or no?’ then I have to say no. Because he isn’t.

It’s called ‘honouring a contract’ for a very specific reason. Why do you think that is? Why the word ‘honour’? Are snakes known for their honour?

Does the welder have a recurring burns injury that kept them out of action for a few months here and there but hasn't been a problem for a while but is still used as a stick to beat said welder with?

[Jamokachi]

Hypothetical... Astronaut Kelly floated in the serene void of space, tethered to the International Space Station. As she adjusted her suit and equipment, a sudden, unexpected sight caught her eye—a penguin, of all things, drifting alongside her in the weightless expanse. The penguin seemed unperturbed, its flippers paddling gently as if it were swimming through the Antarctic waters it called home.

"How did you get here?" Kelly muttered to herself, bewildered. She knew it was impossible for a penguin to be in space, yet there it was, looking at her with its curious, beady eyes.

Kelly had to make a quick decision. Should she try to bring the penguin inside the space station, potentially contaminating the controlled environment and risking both their lives? Or should she leave it in the cold, unrelenting vacuum of space, which was no place for an Earth-bound creature?

As Kelly pondered this conundrum, the penguin flapped its wings, bumping gently against her helmet. The decision weighed heavily on her—between compassion for an impossible visitor and the protocols designed to ensure survival and safety in the harsh environment of space.

[Goaljira]

I hope we sign the penguin.

[AjaxAndy]

According to the Sheffield United forum they have a 20% sell on fee for DCL, which might explain why we're asking so much for him.

[Raptor]

According to the Sheffield United forum they have a 20% sell on fee for DCL, which might explain why we're asking so much for him.

Sell on clauses are usually for a set period of time, id be very surprised if it lasted 8 years?

[Jamokachi]

I hope we sign the penguin.

We already have the one of doom.

[cassius]

Sell on clauses are usually for a set period of time, id be very surprised if it lasted 8 years?

We're talking about Everton here

[liamgt]

Dom owes us nothing, we got him for next to nothing , he's played his heart out for us when he's been fit and available.

He is in the prime of his career now and has probably had enough false dawns and empty promises and wants a fresh start in is career.

Nothing wrong with that IMHO.

Good luck to him wherever he ends up. He's honoured his contract, made it clear with 12 months to go he wont be signing in another one and given the club options. It's up to the club now to make a business decision to cash in or let him run down and leave on a free next year.

Not sure how you some people on here can call him a snake? It's his career.

[Bornblue88]

Even in that situation I’d still put the blame on us for waiting til this close to the end of his contract. You put yourself in a vulnerable position if you leave it til the last year of a contract. They should have been doing this last year. Hopefully moving forward with the new owners we do better in these type of situations

The whole of the football world know that if a player enters his final year of his contract then you aren’t gonna maximise the transfer fee for them

In this situation though, it’s the fact that Newcastle aren’t paying what we are asking for that the move isn’t happening, if we agree on a price he will move. And honestly 37million isn’t good value as a buying club for someone injury prone in the last year of their contract. But it’s not as if DCL is allowed to negotiate the transfer fee between the 2 clubs is he


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I’m not saying the people who run the club are free from blame and he obviously doesn’t choose the fee but it forces us to accept a lower fee than we could get if there were 2 years on the contract for example. A lower transfer fee can mean he can negotiate higher wages etc so you could argue that he’s costing Everton money for his own gain. Also, Newcastle don’t even have Europe this season so moving there to not be first choice isn’t really progressing his career. Again you could argue it’s for the money. As a fan I think behaving like that is a bit snakey regardless of what others might think of loyalty in football

[Granite]

Love how BB88 has completely hijacked this thread and made it all about him.

[Bluebridge]

I’m not saying the people who run the club are free from blame and he obviously doesn’t choose the fee but it forces us to accept a lower fee than we could get if there were 2 years on the contract for example. A lower transfer fee can mean he can negotiate higher wages etc so you could argue that he’s costing Everton money for his own gain. Also, Newcastle don’t even have Europe this season so moving there to not be first choice isn’t really progressing his career. Again you could argue it’s for the money. As a fan I think behaving like that is a bit snakey regardless of what others might think of loyalty in football

@Bornblue88 can you confirm that DCL was offered a contract a year ago when there was two years remaining, I don’t remember it being offered, so we as a club probably didn’t want to offer someone who had basically missed the bulk of that season with an injury that, at the time, looked like he was not going to come back from properly, we were rightfully safeguarding our future by waiting until this seasons end to only offer an extension now.

[Bornblue88]

Hypothetical: You’re a welder and you agree to a fixed term contract on a North Sea oil rig for 5 years. You agree to it because it’s a good development opportunity for your welding skills and you want to learn underwater welding while you are there, which will increase your worth so you will be in a good position to go to the next stage of your career and maybe earn a lot more money in the Middle East or somewhere else of your choice for you and your family. You’re a good worker and always put in a shift, but the company you work for has been run by imbeciles and they are a bit of a nightmare to work for. At the end of your agreed five years you will be looking forward to a change of job, routine, climate, scenery etc.
Just before your contract is up, your company says that to stop them going under, they have agreed a deal with an Antarctic mining company for your services on another 5 year deal but sub-contracted by them. The money the Antarctic mining co will pay for this will keep the oil rig co from going into administration and your whole family has to move there for another 5 years.

Is it on you to save this company? Are you a snake?

And yes I can see how football clubs are different, there is so much more complexity and nuance involved but if you want to reduce this to a binary ‘is he a snake - yes or no?’ then I have to say no. Because he isn’t.

It’s called ‘honouring a contract’ for a very specific reason. Why do you think that is? Why the word ‘honour’? Are snakes known for their honour?

Does the oil rig have a group of loyal small investors that come there every week to cheer him on and support the business financially, effectively giving him his job? Newcastles cold but hardly comparable to Antarctica. What if the oil rig worker refuses the contract in Antarctica but goes there anyway, the company goes into administration, and all the investors lose their money? Do they have a right to feel cheated?

‘Honouring a contract’ is a legal term with financial ramifications for not doing so. There are many things footballers can do that are not in their contract like not putting a shift in for example or flat out milking the club or shagging a team mates wife, so would that be an honourable thing to do?

I never said it was a binary choice or that he is or isn’t a snake, just that it was a snake move. I like him as a player and as a person but it would be a bit of a sour end imo if it plays out that way