Burnley Legal Case

[AjaxAndy]

You’re not alone, I don’t get it either and can’t find any justification for us having to compensate Burnley for the PL’s incompetence

The only rationale I can come up with is that if it wasn't us being sued then Burnley would sue the Premier League, so they're basically passing the buck to us because they don't want to have to pay out £40m

[superpull]

A day on and I'm still really confused by this.

I've tried to read up on it a bit, and it seems we're being sued because the punishment wasn't applied the previous season.

So Forest won't be sued because their punishment was applied in the correct time frame.

But by all accounts we didn't do anything to delay the Premier League applying the punishment in the correct season, they just took too long to go through everything and apply the points deduction.

So I'm still absolutely baffled how we could be sued?

And to top it all off the Premier League are the ones who both failed to apply to punishment in the correct timeframe, and the judge and jury residing over us being sued for them not doing so.

It is genuinely mind bending. Am I just missing an important piece of the puzzle here that would make it at least vaguely understandable?

We can be sued because we materially benefited from it.
This isnt really about whose fault it was we were not punished in a timely manner - it was about whether we benefitted from the process and Burnley suffered.

Demonstrably it is true that getting punished in the season we breached would have had Burnley in the premier league and us relegated.
our only argument is that the accountancy period technically ran up to the end of the season so we couldnt have breached during the season as the rules stood at the time.

I suppose they have persuaded the panel that the points deduction should have been implemented in retrospect.

[AjaxAndy]

We can be sued because we materially benefited from it.
This isnt really about whose fault it was we were not punished in a timely manner - it was about whether we benefitted from the process and Burnley suffered.

Demonstrably it is true that getting punished in the season we breached would have had Burnley in the premier league and us relegated.
our only argument is that the accountancy period technically ran up to the end of the season so we couldnt have breached during the season as the rules stood at the time.

I suppose they have persuaded the panel that the points deduction should have been implemented in retrospect.

But in that scenario Forest would also be sued too, but apparently it's not just because we gained an advantage, it's because the punishment wasn't applied until the following season.

So if you can't be sued for gaining an advantage for breaking PSR, and only if the punishment isn't applied in the correct timeframe, then that stills asks the question of why are we being sued and not the premier league, who were the ones responsible for not applying to sanctions in the correct timeframe?

[Shogun]

Surely there's a case where we can sue the Premier League as a result of the Burnley outcome?

[NomadskiEFC]

Mad this case even got through. If we were given the points deduction during the season it meant we would have had to gain another point than we did to have still stayed up (if our GD was better). How can Burnley or the league prove we wouldn't have stepped up, just as we did the following season?

They are surmising everything and its dog would have remained exactly the same with or without the points deduction.

[brap2]

All this chat is completely pointless ultimately, just like it was when we were saying they don’t have a case, we’ve already been punished, I don’t see how they can etc etc etc

We haven’t got a scoob, doesn’t seem like anyone really does. It’s in the rules for clubs to pursue one another if a rule is breached, we breached so were left open to be pursued for damages or whatever.

It’s just shite and I cba even thinking about it. Club seem annoyed and surprised about it. Will probably be appealed and settled.

I think I’m just going to ignore it because it’s very boring.

[Mouse]

All this chat is completely pointless ultimately, just like it was when we were saying they don’t have a case, we’ve already been punished, I don’t see how they can etc etc etc

We haven’t got a scoob, doesn’t seem like anyone really does. It’s in the rules for clubs to pursue one another if a rule is breached, we breached so were left open to be pursued for damages or whatever.

It’s just shite and I cba even thinking about it. Club seem annoyed and surprised about it. Will probably be appealed and settled.

I think I’m just going to ignore it because it’s very boring.

100%. It’s bad enough having to worry about completely baseless rumours of us buying 33% of WHU’s shite without this as well

[777Kidnappings]

A day on and I'm still really confused by this.

I've tried to read up on it a bit, and it seems we're being sued because the punishment wasn't applied the previous season.

So Forest won't be sued because their punishment was applied in the correct time frame.

But by all accounts we didn't do anything to delay the Premier League applying the punishment in the correct season, they just took too long to go through everything and apply the points deduction.

So I'm still absolutely baffled how we could be sued?

And to top it all off the Premier League are the ones who both failed to apply to punishment in the correct timeframe, and the judge and jury residing over us being sued for them not doing so.

It is genuinely mind bending. Am I just missing an important piece of the puzzle here that would make it at least vaguely understandable?

Apparently they got their full claim too. Not a percentage based on the chance of being relegated with or without the breach. Meaning that was solely responsible for their relegation?

I dont understand how you have to make 19 teams right financially for your "cheating" and then 19 teams benefit the following season from you being deducted points? Surely its 1 or the other??

Feels incredibly weird that the people deciding this are the same people deciding the case. Literally but even just being from the premier league.

[777Kidnappings]

We can be sued because we materially benefited from it.
This isnt really about whose fault it was we were not punished in a timely manner - it was about whether we benefitted from the process and Burnley suffered.

Demonstrably it is true that getting punished in the season we breached would have had Burnley in the premier league and us relegated.
our only argument is that the accountancy period technically ran up to the end of the season so we couldnt have breached during the season as the rules stood at the time.

I suppose they have persuaded the panel that the points deduction should have been implemented in retrospect.

But given that what's the idea of the points deduction? If we are going to make everyone right financially then why are there 19 teams benefitting from the deduction

We could have paid finaically for releagtion twice because of this. We could have been sued by burnley and then relegated by the deduction too

[weimaranerblues]

Haven't read it all CBA , but it's the 21-22 that Burnley went down and we got the points deducted in 23-24 season

2 seasons later....ok not sure when the 3 yr period kicked in or the 105 or 35m per season shite .

Anyone clarify why Burnley even had a case

I mean the following season we beat Leicester by 2pts , surprised they haven't sued us too.

[brap2]

Haven't read it all CBA , but it's the 21-22 that Burnley went down and we got the points deducted in 23-24 season

2 seasons later....ok not sure when the 3 yr period kicked in or the 105 or 35m per season shite .

Anyone clarify why Burnley even had a case

I mean the following season we beat Leicester by 2pts , surprised they haven't sued us too.

Not in a way that will make you feel like it makes sense.

But essentially - when they went down we were in the process of being in breach / accidentally in breach therefore the competition was not fair during that season.

[Cods]

[Toddacelli]

In order for someone to find their case just, they would have to say that our breach gave us an unfair sporting advantage on the field.

But didn’t I read that what put us in breach was payment of stadium interest costs or something?

How does it work?

[Cods]

In order for someone to find their case just, they would have to say that our breach gave us an unfair sporting advantage on the field.

But didn’t I read that what put us in breach was payment of stadium interest costs or something?

How does it work?

The ruling said the overspending wasn't stadium related - apparently that was a line the club pushed but didn't hold water.

Well if it was boring enough getting into the legal matters, then the proper Accounting treatment of the capitalisation of interest expense should really grab you!

[4evablu]

For me the driving force is the 3 people who adjudicated the original case and coincidently this Burnley complaint…
In the first instance they found Everton of a breach of PSR rules no one (including them) understood. We were penalised 10 points and a fine….heres the “Spitting out of the dummies”..
1. The appeal took so long for them to organise, listen to and decide…this then ran into the next season…hence the “delay” in punishment…and the 8 point deduction which took Burnley down….
2. The same 3 people lost face by the Everton appeal and are now proving they were correct with the original decision…
3. We will appeal this again but hopefully this time not through a kangaroo “court” hearing as per last time…but through proper legal challenge in a court of law…
4. What it appears to have done now is if our appeal fails it will open the floodgates for clubs to sue each other, the PL, the FA and the PMLO for anything from loss of results to loss of income due to poor corporate governance….
5. It could potentially lead to a collapse of football as we know it….

The big thing is you can see the big 4 leading the lawsuits if they fail to gain CL qualification, winning the premier league, even winning a cup due to bad referring decisions or VAR going against them…
Can you honestly see Liverpool or manu losing one of these challenges ? I can’t