Next Everton Manager

[UnsyisaRhino]

All those crazy coaches out there believing they can change/improve players amd tactics. And clubs pay them money as well. Bonkers.

Productive contribution, thanks for participating.

[Kerryblueboy]

Equally wild suggesting that no other coach bar dyche could get anything from these players the ones on here are really scraping the barrel with some of the shouts on here

[Kerryblueboy]

It's only 9 games though and we're on course to match last year's points haul, which I think is acceptable.

He's not failing imo, he's about on par with what I'd expect although the Bournemouth collapse is probably the one thing that knocks it down from par to being sub par... Had we won that I think the mood would be a bit different and we'd be on 12 points from 9 games.

But what are we really arguing on here anyway? That Dyche should go at the end of the season? It's a given that he will be replaced due to the new owners, so feels more the argument is about the lack of respect he gets for the job he's done

This season he's essentially a place holder for a new man coming in next summer, so he just needs to keep us clear of any danger which is what I fully expect him to achieve.

I’d say you want dyche to stay and be our coach going into the new stadium

[AjaxAndy]

I’d say you want dyche to stay and be our coach going into the new stadium

I've said before more than once I'm 50/50 on the issue. A lot would depend on where we end up at the end of the season and what the standard of football was across the full season.

I think he's done a great job thus far, and if we finished somewhere around 10th I would feel he's earned the right to an extension. Equally if we finish around 15th and the football is garbage I'd look to move him on.

I'd also probably swap him even if we finished 10th if the incoming manager was an astute appointment and the recruitment was well planned out.

There's plus and minus to both keeping or replacing. With PSR still an issue next season and us probably selling Branthwaite it may well need a steady hand for another year or two. But then would I want Dyche to get players for his style on long contracts? Not so much.

I think though he's been our most important manager since Moyes and as with him stability can sometimes be fruitful.

[Mouse]

Edit - Thought I’d written this as a reply to @unsyisarhino…

I’m sorry but if we are starting with the premise that we have a squad of players who (a) cannot pass and (b) could not be improved by any coach then it is really difficult to have a rational discussion.

Then we have the constant “sacking Dyche would be suicide” when, as far as I can see, nobody is advocating that!

I’ve stated my view elsewhere. Dyche will stay until the end of the season but, rightly or wrongly, won’t be here next season. We’ll be grateful to him for keeping us up with all the issues on and off the pitch. A different manager will get a different performance from pretty much the same set of players. Why? Because he’ll coach them differently, instil a different mental approach and set them up differently.

I cannot believe there’s any remote possibility we'd be watching 40% or less possession at home against all comers if we were to appoint Frank, Potter, etc. It doesn’t mean we’d be in the Champions League and it doesn’t mean Dyche has done a shit job. But I’m convinced we’d be consistently better to watch and no worse off and more likely better off than we are today in terms of points and position.

Oh, and your welcome

[Audrey Horne]

T. Frank off to United?

Be a good choice for them

[HANNU]

Adi Hütter i read that as something completely different and for that reason alone its a no to that one

[Shogun]

Adi Hütter i read that as something completely different and for that reason alone its a no to that one

Wait until you find out what Adi is short for

[HANNU]

Wait until you find out what Adi is short for

adidas?

[Escalator]

Wait until you find out what Adi is short for

Jeez ! Poor guy, wicked parents giving him that name esp with a surname so similar.

[MayorFarnham]

Used to work with a fella called Karl Littler. Say it quickly.

[UnsyisaRhino]

Edit - Thought I’d written this as a reply to @unsyisarhino…

I’m sorry but if we are starting with the premise that we have a squad of players who (a) cannot pass and (b) could not be improved by any coach then it is really difficult to have a rational discussion.

Then we have the constant “sacking Dyche would be suicide” when, as far as I can see, nobody is advocating that!

I’ve stated my view elsewhere. Dyche will stay until the end of the season but, rightly or wrongly, won’t be here next season. We’ll be grateful to him for keeping us up with all the issues on and off the pitch. A different manager will get a different performance from pretty much the same set of players. Why? Because he’ll coach them differently, instil a different mental approach and set them up differently.

I cannot believe there’s any remote possibility we'd be watching 40% or less possession at home against all comers if we were to appoint Frank, Potter, etc. It doesn’t mean we’d be in the Champions League and it doesn’t mean Dyche has done a shit job. But I’m convinced we’d be consistently better to watch and no worse off and more likely better off than we are today in terms of points and position.

Oh, and your welcome

I think you've reduced my argument down to be more simplistic than it is. It's not that they aren't capable of learning or doing more (although this is less likely for some of players we're critical of), my point is that the players I've highlighted (can't remember if it's in this thread or another, sorry) have shown under a number of managers, that there are risks attached to asking them to play 'better football' are too high.

The best examples are a core part of the team in Doucoure and Gueye who both excel in the work they do without the ball, and are average at best on it. Is there potential for more from them? Maybe, but for a team with extremely poor mental resilience (see the start of the season and the past 4-5 years), every mistake is magnified and takes us a step closer to a Bournemouth type result. I honestly think his entire approach is based around protecting the deficiencies in the squad, especially lack of pace at the back, and one dimensional players through the middle.

It doesn't matter when our play is very safe and one dimensional, or when they only really get the ball in low pressure situations, or low risk areas of the pitch.

I would leap at the chance to take either of those managers next season, if it was also accompanied by investment in players that'll be needed for them to be successful.

[Mouse]

The best examples are a core part of the team in Doucoure and Gueye who both excel in the work they do without the ball, and are average at best on it.

I would leap at the chance to take either of those managers next season, if it was also accompanied by investment in players that'll be needed for them to be successful.

Thanks, i understand that but I would argue that the two mentioned don’t have to be picked and we had/have better ball-players who could be picked if we wanted to play a different style. I don’t have an issue with Gana at all, I would expect him to play even with a change at the top. He needs someone to give the ball to.

I guess we will see what the new manager has to work with but I wouldn’t expect no more than 2 possibly 3 first team ready buys. My big hope is, whoever we buy, they are young enough to be re-sold at a profit.

[AllyBlue14]

I'm just not sure where the body of evidence is to support that these players are capable of playing better football. We've seen a string of managers fail to successfully implement varying styles and approaches. But barring a couple of short-lived purple patches and Lukaku's goals papering over a lot of cracks, we've been on a slippery slope for the last 10 years.

In the last couple of years alone, we've had to sell/release Onana, Gomes, Iwobi, Mina, Richarlison, Delph, Gordon - all players who may be capable of playing a more progressive game. And the better replacements we've brought in have included Garner, McNeil, Harrison, Young, Beto, JOB, Lindstrom, Ndiaye.

And the squad they've joined contains an ageing central midfield, even older full-backs, a striker with a chequered injury record who can be hit and miss in front of goal and wants to leave anyway, a great GK who is in a bad patch of form, wingers who can't really beat a man and a CB who is more reliable up front. On their day they're all capable of more, but if they did it more consistently, they'd have better options than Everton.

Even with Dyche, there are no guarantees and the awful start to the season left us playing catch up straight from the off. But I think many of us going into bat for him are traumatised by the series of false dawns we've had previously. We'd all love Potter or Frank or Carsley to come in, maintain stability and do so playing better football. But we've seen others fail and clearly have less confidence than some in the ability of the playing squad.

[Shogun]

I doubt this squad is less technically less talented than the one Potter took over at Brighton and he had them playing good football though, no? If Webster, Dunk, Duffy and Burn can adjust then I'm sure our lot can as well.

We played awful football under Benitez and would been relegated whilst Dyche's awful football would have seen him take Burnley down only he was saved by being sacked. So it's not like this type of football is sustainable.