There's a possibility Moyes doesn't want a full bonafide set piece guy, maybe he just wants someone to implement the ideas and set ups he comes up with.
Or maybe because there's only a very small number of specialised set piece coaches in the world none are available right now. So instead of just not doing anything we've brought in someone for the time being and allowing them to prove themselves and be given the role long term.
People love to just jump to conclusions without any real idea of what's going on. Genuinely if someone can give me the figures for how many specialised set piece coaches there are in the world, and how many are unemployed currently I'd be absolutely gob smacked.
Or it's a job for his mate, which seems pretty dumb given Moyes will live or die by his decisions and results so giving himself a disadvantage doesn't seem particularly productive. Who knows eh?
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AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:36 pm There's a possibility Moyes doesn't want a full bonafide set piece guy, maybe he just wants someone to implement the ideas and set ups he comes up with.
Or maybe because there's only a very small number of specialised set piece coaches in the world none are available right now. So instead of just not doing anything we've brought in someone for the time being and allowing them to prove themselves and be given the role long term.
People love to just jump to conclusions without any real idea of what's going on. Genuinely if someone can give me the figures for how many specialised set piece coaches there are in the world, and how many are unemployed currently I'd be absolutely gob smacked.
Or it's a job for his mate, which seems pretty dumb given Moyes will live or die by his decisions and results so giving himself a disadvantage doesn't seem particularly productive. Who knows eh?
For years people defended us buying players by saying they were incrementally better than nothing/an existing player.
"better than nothing" is not always good.
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Because stumbling onto success isn't a strategy for long term success.
If I found £100 in the blob shop bogs I wouldn't quit my job and go there every day.
It's nice and I can appreciate it, but hiring the managers mates for a coaching role while clubs around us are hiring experts is not what I want everton to be doing, even if on this occasion it worked out.
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Aren’t you just jumping to conclusions yourself?AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:36 pm There's a possibility Moyes doesn't want a full bonafide set piece guy, maybe he just wants someone to implement the ideas and set ups he comes up with.
Or maybe because there's only a very small number of specialised set piece coaches in the world none are available right now. So instead of just not doing anything we've brought in someone for the time being and allowing them to prove themselves and be given the role long term.
People love to just jump to conclusions without any real idea of what's going on. Genuinely if someone can give me the figures for how many specialised set piece coaches there are in the world, and how many are unemployed currently I'd be absolutely gob smacked.
Or it's a job for his mate, which seems pretty dumb given Moyes will live or die by his decisions and results so giving himself a disadvantage doesn't seem particularly productive. Who knows eh?
Moyes is an old school manager. This is how they operate.
It’s no big deal really, but is a nod to us not doing things the proper way like other clubs in the premier league seem to do.
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I don't really think offering 3 potential reasons for the appointment is jumping to conclusions tbf, my whole point is none of us understand the set piece coach job stats, who is available if anyone, how many are even out there.
He's definitely employed someone he knows and trusts, that's undeniable, but also it doesn't necessarily mean what people claim it does.
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Brentford's set piece coach was formerly a banker... Not sure how that qualifies him to do the role but by all accounts he's very good at it:
'In 2015, Brentford was playing in the Championship, not long removed from League Two, when the club hired Vio to only handle set pieces. A former banker, Vio had written a treatise on them for his UEFA coaching badges. Putting even a little forethought into free kicks and corners, he wrote, would be the equivalent of adding a 15-goal striker. "The difference is," he says now, "that striker can be injured or suspended."'
'In 2015, Brentford was playing in the Championship, not long removed from League Two, when the club hired Vio to only handle set pieces. A former banker, Vio had written a treatise on them for his UEFA coaching badges. Putting even a little forethought into free kicks and corners, he wrote, would be the equivalent of adding a 15-goal striker. "The difference is," he says now, "that striker can be injured or suspended."'
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Yet, what you say could be completely false.AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:01 pm I don't really think offering 3 potential reasons for the appointment is jumping to conclusions tbf, my whole point is none of us understand the set piece coach job stats, who is available if anyone, how many are even out there.
He's definitely employed someone he knows and trusts, that's undeniable, but also it doesn't necessarily mean what people claim it does.
He’s been hired because he’s moyes mate and he could take a good set piece back in the day.
Moyes said as much. No point pretending otherwise.
Would be nice to go down a different road but hiring a manager like moyes means we’re probably a long way off that.
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Villa's set piece coach again humble beginnings... It doesn't seem there's many bonafide set piece coaches around, they've all had to start somewhere and there's none who've then gone on to be successful currently unemployed. So how are we exactly supposed to hire a specialist when there's only a handful around and all in jobs?
'MacPhee was playing at Forfar Athletic, in the nether reaches of the Scottish football pyramid, when he was recruited by UNC-Wilmington. After college, he drifted from Romania to Japan and then back to Scotland, where he attained his coaching badges. At that time, the value of set pieces hadn't yet penetrated his consciousness. But by the time he came to Villa from Danish side Midtjylland in 2021, he had made them his specialty.
That same year, he agreed to work for Scotland. In the 24 games before he arrived, Scotland scored one goal off a set piece and conceded six. In his 24 games with the national team before leaving this past summer, they scored 16 and conceded four.
'MacPhee was playing at Forfar Athletic, in the nether reaches of the Scottish football pyramid, when he was recruited by UNC-Wilmington. After college, he drifted from Romania to Japan and then back to Scotland, where he attained his coaching badges. At that time, the value of set pieces hadn't yet penetrated his consciousness. But by the time he came to Villa from Danish side Midtjylland in 2021, he had made them his specialty.
That same year, he agreed to work for Scotland. In the 24 games before he arrived, Scotland scored one goal off a set piece and conceded six. In his 24 games with the national team before leaving this past summer, they scored 16 and conceded four.
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“By the time came to Villa he made them his speciality”
The other dude did a thesis on them.
Come on man.
The other dude did a thesis on them.
Come on man.
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Scenes on here when big Tarks knocks in a header from a corner to beat Brighton tomorrow.
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Exactly, you're asking for a unicorn... An experienced high quality specialised set piece coach who is currently available. It doesn't exist.
Would this be such an issue if we'd employed someone with exactly the same CV who Moyes didn't know and hadn't played for Liverpool?