brap2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:10 pm
I don't accept he does look like that.
He's putting in buckets and buckets of work? He's just not anywhere near the box?
It's a bit of both, he's been generally poor outside of pressing all season.
The service is crap, but that doesn't excuse poor passing, poor finishing, poor decision making, etc. We crucify other players for less and its not like we're playing to the strengths of half of them.
His general hold up play in the channels has been really poor at times compared to what We've seen in the past, especially when running into the channel.
UnsyisaRhino wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 11:43 pm
It's a bit of both, he's been generally poor outside of pressing all season.
The service is crap, but that doesn't excuse poor passing, poor finishing, poor decision making, etc. We crucify other players for less and its not like we're playing to the strengths of half of them.
His general hold up play in the channels has been really poor at times compared to what We've seen in the past, especially when running into the channel.
It probably does excuse some of the passing. If he has the ball pumped up to him and there is no one else in a Blue shirt in the same postcode - passes are going to be harder - especially as you are being easily closed down as the only threat for miles. That probably impacts decision making as well and when you are under pressure to choose between a couple of shitty options - how are you supposed to pick a good option if there isn’t one?
I agree he’s been under par for what we know he’s capable of, but it cannot be underestimated just what a swamp it is he’s working in.
No way he is phoning it in he is burned out from the system the reason Beto gets chances is because dcl has the hard work done already a more progressive coach playing with full backs who overlap and players in and around him he would score goals no doubt for me
Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:43 am
No way he is phoning it in he is burned out from the system the reason Beto gets chances is because dcl has the hard work done already a more progressive coach playing with full backs who overlap and players in and around him he would score goals no doubt for me
I don’t see how anyone could be so sure he’s a goalscorer under a better manager.
He’s 27 and has only showed it in one six month spell under Carlo.
When we do get a new manager I’d like to see a new striker, someone who’s a better finisher and knows how to be in the right position.
Toddacelli wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:39 am
It probably does excuse some of the passing. If he has the ball pumped up to him and there is no one else in a Blue shirt in the same postcode - passes are going to be harder - especially as you are being easily closed down as the only threat for miles. That probably impacts decision making as well and when you are under pressure to choose between a couple of shitty options - how are you supposed to pick a good option if there isn’t one?
I agree he’s been under par for what we know he’s capable of, but it cannot be underestimated just what a swamp it is he’s working in.
I agree with most of that, but there's times were he's done all the hard work, kept the ball long enough for play to catch up to him and then it's like he's turned his brain off when it comes to the pass.
I think the rest of the team have to deal with similar challenges (the more creative midfielders especially) and don't get the same pass. Doucs gets hammered for being poor in possession and he works just as hard if not harder.
The system doesn't help, but it's fair to question the things he does and I think we could expect more.
I hate diving into the whole body language analysis side of things, but it looks like he's had the hump all season.
TheRam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:53 am
I don’t see how anyone could be so sure he’s a goalscorer under a better manager.
He’s 27 and has only showed it in one six month spell under Carlo.
When we do get a new manager I’d like to see a new striker, someone who’s a better finisher and knows how to be in the right position.
Something Dom has never really had.
He showed it under Carlo with the right service he can score granted that was digne James and the rest but he was very good that year and poor since because imo we haven’t played to his strengths or put the players around him
Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:48 pm
He showed it under Carlo with the right service he can score granted that was digne James and the rest but he was very good that year and poor since because imo we haven’t played to his strengths or put the players around him
His strengths are scoring goals from 6 yards while playing with much better players. Sounds similar to my strengths. He's shite
UnsyisaRhino wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:17 pm
I agree with most of that, but there's times were he's done all the hard work, kept the ball long enough for play to catch up to him and then it's like he's turned his brain off when it comes to the pass.
I think the rest of the team have to deal with similar challenges (the more creative midfielders especially) and don't get the same pass. Doucs gets hammered for being poor in possession and he works just as hard if not harder.
The system doesn't help, but it's fair to question the things he does and I think we could expect more.
I hate diving into the whole body language analysis side of things, but it looks like he's had the hump all season.
I just think that's a poor take tbh, it's surely the lack of attacking structure around him.
But at the same time - I do think he looks like he's through with it.
He's just a bit meh, but aren't we.
1 in 4 is pretty much the minimum you'd expect from a premier League striker and that's what we have, it's a shame to lose him for nothing, but it really shouldn't be hard to replace. The disappointing thing is that his apparent strength is good hold up play and bringing others into the game, yet in 224 premier league games he only has 15 assists, which is a really poor return for an attacking player when this aspect is your only strength.
File him under 'bang average'
Raptor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:57 pm
He's just a bit meh, but aren't we.
1 in 4 is pretty much the minimum you'd expect from a premier League striker and that's what we have, it's a shame to lose him for nothing, but it really shouldn't be hard to replace. The disappointing thing is that his apparent strength is good hold up play and bringing others into the game, yet in 224 premier league games he only has 15 assists, which is a really poor return for an attacking player when this aspect is your only strength.
File him under 'bang average'
He's only 1 in 4 because of a 3 year spell. The rest of his career hasn't even been that
brap2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:31 pm
I just think that's a poor take tbh, it's surely the lack of attacking structure around him.
But at the same time - I do think he looks like he's through with it.
Comes down to opinions on some level. Do you think there are other players who haven't really been performing for similar reasons?
Keane get's all sorts of legitimate criticism for only being good at a few small parts of his game unless protected. Is that different to Dom only being effective when he has a richie working hard along side him and two top class passers playing perfect passes to his head from 6 yards out?
I do think he's got one of the hardest jobs in the team, but in my head, that just means he can't afford not to be on it when he is in a good position, and he's not shown that at all this season. He definitely seems to be given a bit more wiggle room to perform badly than some of our other players.
Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:48 pm
He showed it under Carlo with the right service he can score granted that was digne James and the rest but he was very good that year and poor since because imo we haven’t played to his strengths or put the players around him
What is playing to his strengths?
I don’t see him as a striker who plays off the shoulder and is a threat in behind. He’s very poor when in on goal.
He’s a target man, he needs crosses and lots of them to score a decent amount of goals.
