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I was happy to give him next season to see if he developed - until Sunday. That level of total lack of effort was unforgivable

I watched a clip of him doing drills and he can’t kick the ball properly.

His technique was absolutely terrible.

Was quite shocking watching it tbh.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 8:30 am I think people are being really generous suggesting his current form is much different from what hes produced consistently most of the season. Hes been largely awful. The only difference is a couple of good touches earlier in the season and people would be spinning it as a sign of great potential. The goodwill has gone now and hes being judged on the performances which have hardly ever been good enough

Id like us to keep beto. His form back end of both this season and last has been plenty decent enough. Need to find away to avoid the massive dip between the 2 again though.

Honestly don't see the point in keeping Beto, you can't rely on him outside of one purple patch over a season, and if he's not starting regularly he's so off it he's as much a non entity as Barry. Even when he's starting there's 2/3 of the season where he's as much a non entity.

Sell while we can get money for him.

I agree with Barry though, he's spent the entire season pretty much not being able to physically compete with CBs, yesterday wasn't because he wants out or because of what happened with the fans... He's had many many games where he's looked every bit as disinterested in trying to win physical battles with players before any of that kicked off.

Neither are good enough, but I do think if we sell Beto in the summer we'd pretty much get out money back, or close to it, which lets us invest properly in a starting ST who can be relied upon.

Shogun wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2026 3:10 pm Never want to see him in an Everton shirt again

I don’t even want to see him on the bench.

Beyond done, move on.

Bluebridge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 4:24 am Dress it how you like, he’s still piss poor.

My point was regarding our striking options in general and independent of most of the post-derby reaction. Interpret it how you like though.

He's not contributed as much to our results as Beto, and from more games. Neither are the solution but we are where we are for a reason.

We will get good money for Barry and we should be able to deal at broadly what we bought him for. Remember Moise Kean? Didn’t do too badly out of that despite us thinking we were going to get peanuts.

We should be looking to trade upwards anyway. If you can sell someone that hasn’t worked out for a better player, do it. That’s the way this game works.

Beto has fought a battle against Barry to be the starter and has come out on top. That takes mental strength and desire to prove yourself, which deserves praise.

However, as much as I like Beto, we are still searching for that magic number 9. They are an elusive species but it makes all the difference having someone reliable who can hit the back of the onion bag.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 10:58 am Honestly don't see the point in keeping Beto, you can't rely on him outside of one purple patch over a season, and if he's not starting regularly he's so off it he's as much a non entity as Barry. Even when he's starting there's 2/3 of the season where he's as much a non entity.

Sell while we can get money for him.

I agree with Barry though, he's spent the entire season pretty much not being able to physically compete with CBs, yesterday wasn't because he wants out or because of what happened with the fans... He's had many many games where he's looked every bit as disinterested in trying to win physical battles with players before any of that kicked off.

Neither are good enough, but I do think if we sell Beto in the summer we'd pretty much get out money back, or close to it, which lets us invest properly in a starting ST who can be relied upon.

I quite like beto. Though it is on condition we get more of this and the back end of last season and yes of what came in between

I just dont see barry doing anything here next season sold loaned or just not contributing here. Not sure how we can sell our best striker for not very much money. We probably need 3 and we'll be down to none who will contribute anything

You say 15-20m but we probably signed about 5 who've contributed much less in the last couple of windows for similar or more. Its pennies and we csnt replace him with that money

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 11:38 am I quite like beto. Though it is on condition we get more of this and the back end of last season and yes of what came in between

You can't have one without the other with Beto though, everyone seems to forget just how bad he is for months on end the moment he hits his purple patch for the season.

It's not just the goals, his all round play is horrendous during the vast majority of the season... Even when it's better and he's playing well you can see his teammates getting really frustrated with him at points in every match because he's done something weird with his off the ball run or a terrible piece of play.

Not really bothered in truth which we keep as backup providing we get £15m - £20m for one though. Sell either for that and buy a proper striker and we're a far better proposition.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 11:58 am You can't have one without the other with Beto though, everyone seems to forget just how bad he is for months on end the moment he hits his purple patch for the season.

It's not just the goals, his all round play is horrendous during the vast majority of the season... Even when it's better and he's playing well you can see his teammates getting really frustrated with him at points in every match because he's done something weird with his off the ball run or a terrible piece of play.

Not really bothered in truth which we keep as backup providing we get £15m - £20m for one though. Sell either for that and buy a proper striker and we're a far better proposition.

I would say all the best all round forward performances this season have come from beto. I genuinely dont think their performances have been comparable at all. The only good game (beyond a nice finish and a few good touches) barry has had was against Man U and that was for winning loads of defensive headers. Betos purple patch this season and last is way beyond anything we've seen from barry

We are probably already a striker short. Can we really afford to sell our best 1 for a fee that wouldn't get you a good championship player

Paddockoldie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 7:41 am Think he's accepted he's not staying, so continues to give nothing. Really disappointing signing. Still don't know who signed him or why

I don't see much difference in his output from before the social media incident to be honest.

Has never put in a proper shift since he joined, he just bagged a few in the space of a few weeks which let people overlook the lack of any effort.

Get what we can in the summer and sack the guy who scouted and did the due diligence on him.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 11:58 am You can't have one without the other with Beto though, everyone seems to forget just how bad he is for months on end the moment he hits his purple patch for the season.

It's not just the goals, his all round play is horrendous during the vast majority of the season... Even when it's better and he's playing well you can see his teammates getting really frustrated with him at points in every match because he's done something weird with his off the ball run or a terrible piece of play.

Not really bothered in truth which we keep as backup providing we get £15m - £20m for one though. Sell either for that and buy a proper striker and we're a far better proposition.

I'm not saying that Beto is capable of maintaining his current goalscoring run, but I think the way you're talking like he's going to repeat his rubbish season and then just come good again every February like that's how he's programmed is a bit daft.

There's a myriad of factors as to why he didn't start the season well, one of which was the chopping and changing with Barry every week. It's only since he's established himself as the starter that he's played himself in to form.

Totally not saying that he's the answer and if we start him regularly then we'll get this version of him or anything like that, I just think it's the bit odd the way you're talking like it's a known quantity that he'll repeat the good run from Feb each season but be shit for the rest of it.

Gary1878 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 11:34 am We will get good money for Barry and we should be able to deal at broadly what we bought him for. Remember Moise Kean? Didn’t do too badly out of that despite us thinking we were going to get peanuts.

We should be looking to trade upwards anyway. If you can sell someone that hasn’t worked out for a better player, do it. That’s the way this game works.

Beto has fought a battle against Barry to be the starter and has come out on top. That takes mental strength and desire to prove yourself, which deserves praise.

However, as much as I like Beto, we are still searching for that magic number 9. They are an elusive species but it makes all the difference having someone reliable who can hit the back of the onion bag.

Difference was that Moise Kean already had a big reputation when we got him. He'd done pretty well for Juventus and had played for Italy - far easier to sell him on after 1 poor season in a new league, as he still had his reputation especially in Italy.

Not the same situation with Barry at all. Relatively obscure and doesn't have a reputation as a top up and coming young player (he's also older than Kean was). Can see us struggling to get our money back on Barry for sure.

I like Beto, he’s not the most skilful and definitely has limits, there are even a lot of games where he is ineffective after or before a purple patch.

But we’ve had worse strikers playing for the club and his goal return isn’t awful, he looks on course to finish the season with at least 10 goals scored. He seems to have a very good attitude and is fighting to earn his place.

However, ideally he needs to be second choice next season. I wonder if we could borrow Brentford’s scouting team or plant a mole in their setup - they always seem to be able to uncover goalscoring talent, from Ollie Watkins, Mbuemo and Toney all the way to Igor Thiago.

Risky wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 12:24 pm I'm not saying that Beto is capable of maintaining his current goalscoring run, but I think the way you're talking like he's going to repeat his rubbish season and then just come good again every February like that's how he's programmed is a bit daft.

There's a myriad of factors as to why he didn't start the season well, one of which was the chopping and changing with Barry every week. It's only since he's established himself as the starter that he's played himself in to form.

Totally not saying that he's the answer and if we start him regularly then we'll get this version of him or anything like that, I just think it's the bit odd the way you're talking like it's a known quantity that he'll repeat the good run from Feb each season but be shit for the rest of it.



Difference was that Moise Kean already had a big reputation when we got him. He'd done pretty well for Juventus and had played for Italy - far easier to sell him on after 1 poor season in a new league, as he still had his reputation especially in Italy.

Not the same situation with Barry at all. Relatively obscure and doesn't have a reputation as a top up and coming young player (he's also older than Kean was). Can see us struggling to get our money back on Barry for sure.

We were exceptionally lucky with kean. Juve got some stick for selling a youngster and it seemed that influenced their decision to resign him more than anything else. No one but juve would have paid that price

Cods wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 4:05 am I think we've got to be realistic with our striker situation.

We've spent the equivalent cost of an average top 10 goalscorer (average cost based on a top 10 scorer over the last 5 league seasons), and split that cost between two players, Beto and Barry.

Their combined 2025/26 goals return (extrapolating out to a full season), is only around 1 goal short of both the average and median number of goals a top 10 striker in the league generally scores (this average includes the 36 and 27 from Haaland and 30 from Kane and 29 from Salah, which are considerable outliers).

And we almost never play Beto and Barry together.

What we're getting is about what we should be expecting, especially given our strength over the last decade or so has been focussing on not conceding rather than scoring.


Since the turn of the millennium, the last 28 full seasons, we've had a top scorer reach double figures in less than half of those seasons, and a 15+ goalscorer in only 3 seasons (and only in 1 season if you exclude Lukaku, and that was DCL under Carlo!)

Perspective needed.

Yeah, but take that top 10 goalscorer out of whoever they're playing for, and there would have also been someone else playing the minutes they didn't. What did they add to those teams directly and indirectly? As things stand we've got one striker who tries hard, and on a good day is just about alright. Ish. Then we've also got another striker who plays all the other minutes #1 doesn't play, and outside of about 500 minutes of football has done the square-root of fuck all for the team in attack or defence, and now looks completely checked out.

Risky wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2026 12:24 pm I'm not saying that Beto is capable of maintaining his current goalscoring run, but I think the way you're talking like he's going to repeat his rubbish season and then just come good again every February like that's how he's programmed is a bit daft.

There's a myriad of factors as to why he didn't start the season well, one of which was the chopping and changing with Barry every week. It's only since he's established himself as the starter that he's played himself in to form.

Totally not saying that he's the answer and if we start him regularly then we'll get this version of him or anything like that, I just think it's the bit odd the way you're talking like it's a known quantity that he'll repeat the good run from Feb each season but be shit for the rest of it.



Difference was that Moise Kean already had a big reputation when we got him. He'd done pretty well for Juventus and had played for Italy - far easier to sell him on after 1 poor season in a new league, as he still had his reputation especially in Italy.

Not the same situation with Barry at all. Relatively obscure and doesn't have a reputation as a top up and coming young player (he's also older than Kean was). Can see us struggling to get our money back on Barry for sure.

I'm not saying he'll have a purple patch every February tbf... Just that he goes months on end being shite, randomly hits a bit of form and then reverts back to being crap.

There's no denying when he's in his purple patch he's a serviceable player but it's everything either side that's the issue... and it doesn't matter how much you play him during those times as it doesn't seem to make a difference to his form.

All I want next season is a really decent striker who can consistently do the basics and score some goals. I'll happily sacrifice which ever of our two strikers it takes to boost the budget in a way that allows us to splash the required cash to do that.