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Cereal Killer wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 9:08 pm They’re getting Maresca seemingly

Thats a mad shout.

Managers failing upwards needs to be studied.

He was Peps assistant. They are very close so not that weird

I think he'll do alright, hard for anyone to follow Pep though and it's not like Man City are really firing on all cylinders of late.

Can't really judge him much on Chelsea given the behind the scenes goings on with that lot.

I'd back him to win some things at Man City, unless Pep goes and finally the 115 charges land.

blueToffee wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 9:18 pm I'm not 100% sold Iraola is that good.

Still pretty wary of some of these very well run club managers, as it seems like the well thought out balanced recruitment is so good at these places it feels a little like they're managing on slightly easier mode at times. Maybe that's unfair, but I would like a little more of a track record of doing well in other situations as his record outside of Bournemouth isn't super stellar is it?

One things for sure, he wouldn’t be able to impose his preferred playing style with our current squad.

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:04 pm He was Peps assistant. They are very close so not that weird

Going off that though our next manager might be Charlie Adams or moyes wife

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 4:17 am Going off that though our next manager might be Charlie Adams or moyes wife

blueToffee wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 9:18 pm I'm not 100% sold Iraola is that good.

Still pretty wary of some of these very well run club managers, as it seems like the well thought out balanced recruitment is so good at these places it feels a little like they're managing on slightly easier mode at times. Maybe that's unfair, but I would like a little more of a track record of doing well in other situations as his record outside of Bournemouth isn't super stellar is it?

Remember when everyone was screaming “Get Potter”

Would we be any worse off if we did get potter?

I don’t think so.

He would have at least saw through a lot of the shite moyes keeps playing.

TheRam wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 7:20 am Would we be any worse off if we did get potter?

I don’t think so.

He would have at least saw through a lot of the shite moyes keeps playing.

Based on what Potter did at Chelsea and West Ham we’d have been relegated.

blueToffee wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 9:18 pm
Still pretty wary of some of these very well run club managers, as it seems like the well thought out balanced recruitment is so good at these places it feels a little like they're managing on slightly easier mode at times. Maybe that's unfair, but I would like a little more of a track record of doing well in other situations as his record outside of Bournemouth isn't super stellar is it?

I think there's some validity to that.

However the flip side is we need to at some point start resembling a well run, forward thinking club ourselves so the natural conclusion is we may as well start with a younger, talented manager with experience of that kind of setup to help us with the process.

blueToffee wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 9:18 pm I'm not 100% sold Iraola is that good.

Still pretty wary of some of these very well run club managers, as it seems like the well thought out balanced recruitment is so good at these places it feels a little like they're managing on slightly easier mode at times. Maybe that's unfair, but I would like a little more of a track record of doing well in other situations as his record outside of Bournemouth isn't super stellar is it?

Fair point but he did great at Rayo Vallecano. Got them promoted and then had a couple of seasons in midtable. Beat Barcelona and Real Madrid multiple times. Come to Bournemouth and continued to show he's a good manager. You talk about easy mode but I don't think Moyes would be playing the likes of Jimenez (nonce), Kroupi Jr, Truffert, Rayan or in the past Huijsen, Zubimendi, etc. straight off the bat if he was manager of Bournemouth.

blueToffee wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 9:18 pm I'm not 100% sold Iraola is that good.

Still pretty wary of some of these very well run club managers, as it seems like the well thought out balanced recruitment is so good at these places it feels a little like they're managing on slightly easier mode at times. Maybe that's unfair, but I would like a little more of a track record of doing well in other situations as his record outside of Bournemouth isn't super stellar is it?

Bit of digging bears this out i think. Of the "well run" clubs:

Brentford
Frank. Left and didn't do too well at Spurs

Brighton
Hughton. Has done nothing of note
Potter. Well.
De Zerbi. Looking decent to be fair. Still wouldn't back him going on to massive success at this point though.

Bournemouth
Howe. Done ok at Newcastle. Genuinely can't decide whether he is really good or distinctly average
Parker. I like him. But again, vague whiff of distinctly average about him
O'Neil. Again generally competent (Strasborg form looks good though, have to give him that)


These clubs are just ran differently to us and taking their performing managers is not the home run it sounds.

Shogun wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 10:49 am Fair point but he did great at Rayo Vallecano. Got them promoted and then had a couple of seasons in midtable. Beat Barcelona and Real Madrid multiple times. Come to Bournemouth and continued to show he's a good manager. You talk about easy mode but I don't think Moyes would be playing the likes of Jimenez (nonce), Kroupi Jr, Truffert, Rayan or in the past Huijsen, Zubimendi, etc. straight off the bat if he was manager of Bournemouth.

Agreed, Moyes would not, it requires a different type of manager for a job like Bournemouth but it also certainly requires forward thinking and balanced recruitment too. The question would be whether we can match what some of these clubs are doing behind the scenes and provide a similar structure to succeed..? Maybe we can, but that's where the concern comes from.

It's definitely admirable that he can make his teams play with more freedom and attacking intent against the bigger teams, but perhaps there is also an element of it being a bit more of a free hit at times because the expectations are somewhat lower? We've seen a lot of these shorter track record managers struggle when taking the step up to sides where the pressures/role is bigger.

I don't know, I'm not really trying to argue the case against him. I'm just a smidge suspicious of managers and even players at times who succeed in these heavily structured, data driven, everyone knows their lane sort of clubs. Purely as that's not us yet. If we put a solid structure in place, I think the freedom to swap out managers would be a lot greater and it wouldn't seem such an overhaul as it does for us each time.

At the likes of Bournemouth or Brentford, it doesn't seem such a huge deal to get the next guy in...which to me makes me think maybe the manager isn't all that special after all in the workings of those clubs if they can be swapped out with such ease at times? They get the praise because they're at the pointy end of the process but it feels like there are perhaps some unsung heroes behind the scenes too who are equally important. A bit like that scene in Moneyball where Billy (Pitt) recruits the stats dude Peter (Jonah Hill's character)...are we missing that sort of guy as much as the manager?

Escalator wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 6:34 am Remember when everyone was screaming “Get Potter”

Or keep dyche