The Rebuild

[777Kidnappings]

We did sign Onana after just about staying up.

We’re in a much better position now so I do find it strange just how hard we are finding selling ourselves.

Do think we’d be in a better position if we kept thelwell.

He seemed to sell the club really well in difficult circumstances and I recall a lot of players writing really heartfelt messages on social media when he left so he was obviously really popular with the players.

This recruitment team at the moment are failing on a lot of fronts.

It really depends on the other options though we got onana by paying him more beating west ham. It seems like the players we are targeting at the moment are players who are hoping for champions league money. I think there's an element of us being a little unrealistic but then maybe there's an element of some of these players being a little unrealistic too

[brap2]

Just nonsense that you can't attract players. Maybe not concecao no, but crap prem clubs are the worlds biggest step up for 99% of players in the universe, and they sign loads of them every year.

[Free Agent]

Sunderland has spent 150m so far in this window. Not world beaters of course but first team players nonetheless.
Clubs outside the top six can sign players.
It’s just clubs with half-assed, faff-about recruitment teams that are struggling.

[777Kidnappings]

Got to be honest I'm completely unpanicked. We've got money again. We've got ambition again. Yes the window hasn't been as prompt as we'd hoped but we finished last season fine. We've lost nothing we weren't okay to lose players wise

We are behind with our rebuild. That seems very small compared to the last few years. Oh and the 3 promoted sides are shite. There's nothing to suggest otherwise. I would have given my left bollock to be where we are now all through the Benitez, Lampard and dyche reigns.

No we haven't got Luiz or grealish in and a winger we wanted might go to Liverpool. Seems a way away from missing out on players to Southampton Ipswich and the shit version of forest though

Be nice if we were quicker. Be amazing if we were suddenly very good. Regardless though it will all work out. We'll beat Leeds, we'll be top 6 after 3 games and we'll get the players we want (with in reason)

[superpull]

So what sort of “first team ready” players are you thinking of?

Well, the list of 85 players we have been linked with have a few of them. Fofana, Kubo, Grealish being the obvious ones.
We would do really well to get them here - but all want champions league football.

So, either we are deluded in thinking we have a chance. Or they are deluded in thinking they should be playing Champions league football.

[777Kidnappings]

Sunderland has spent 150m so far in this window. Not world beaters of course but first team players nonetheless.
Clubs outside the top six can sign players.
It’s just clubs with half-assed, faff-about recruitment teams that are struggling.

They are signing players to stay up. We are trying to sign players to get us into Europe but competing against teams who are in Europe

We can lower our ambitions and sign players. We could have spent the 150m on all them sunderland players because we are more attractive than them. Time will tell. We have to see what we end up with and if it's paid off to wait for players who hope they can do better than us

I do think the reality is that fans just want signings. We've been happy signing loads of shite (without hindsight) because it gives you hope. It's vitally important that we get the right players in this window. We are only now shut of all the crazy contracts we paid to all the previous transfer windows of wrong players

[777Kidnappings]

Well, the list of 85 players we have been linked with have a few of them. Fofana, Kubo, Grealish being the obvious ones.
We would do really well to get them here - but all want champions league football.

So, either we are deluded in thinking we have a chance. Or they are deluded in thinking they should be playing Champions league football.

I think it's neither. They are maybe 2nd or 3rd choices for better teams so want to wait and see. There's a chance they could do better but there's also a chance they'll sign if that great move doesn't happen

I'm grealishs case I think it's more city waiting for a great offer before having to earing millions on a loan deal

[bigmanbob]

Bob on, you can't hold Sunderland up as the way forward when one of their signings is that RS

[Sir Stealth]

Bob on, you can't hold Sunderland up as the way forward when one of their signings is that RS

Which RS did they sign?

[sam of the south]

Well, the list of 85 players we have been linked with have a few of them. Fofana, Kubo, Grealish being the obvious ones.
We would do really well to get them here - but all want champions league football.

So, either we are deluded in thinking we have a chance. Or they are deluded in thinking they should be playing Champions league football.

You forgot Soucek, Coufal, and Jack Harrison

[superpull]

You forgot Soucek, Coufal, and Jack Harrison

I seem to be arguing this on multiple threads, so will use this as a clarification of my point:

There are the The Aznou's, the Douglas Luiz's, the Soucek's, the Conceicao's and the Harrison's in the market.

Everton have a habit of spending a lot of time chasing Conceicao. Waiting and waiting and waiting. During this time, more reasonable targets such as Soucek choose somewhere else and we bring in the Harrison's of the world.
It has happened year after year after year. Over and over again.

I am willing to accept that a lot of players will just be using us to instigate their own market and we may not actually be wasting time on them. But this summer was far too important to miscalculate our attractiveness.

Nobody outside of our own fans gives a damn about that stadium either by the way.

[Jimmywhack]

Ant other preseason this would have been a great summer

[sam of the south]

I seem to be arguing this on multiple threads, so will use this as a clarification of my point:

There are the The Aznou's, the Douglas Luiz's, the Soucek's, the Conceicao's and the Harrison's in the market.

Everton have a habit of spending a lot of time chasing Conceicao. Waiting and waiting and waiting. During this time, more reasonable targets such as Soucek choose somewhere else and we bring in the Harrison's of the world.
It has happened year after year after year. Over and over again.

I am willing to accept that a lot of players will just be using us to instigate their own market and we may not actually be wasting time on them. But this summer was far too important to miscalculate our attractiveness.

Nobody outside of our own fans gives a damn about that stadium either by the way.

Yeah cool

[Indiantoffee75]

Players we're targetting will be playing the waiting game to see if they can get a club in the CL/Europa/Conference, bide there time and work there way down to the next tier of clubs which are likely to include us.

No guarantees ofcourse but you'd hope from a club perspective it has contigencies in place and move on to secondary targets setting there primary targets an initial deadline.

[superpull]

There is absolutely still room for us to knock this out of the park.

If we end up bringing in 2 or 3 of these guys we've been linked with and round the squad out with solid loans, then it will be a great window. Just one that means we wont hit the ground running.

If you offered me a full, competitive squad with some stars in it, but we dont pick up many points for the first month or so - i'd take it.
(my concern is we end up with a terrible squad, an ok first XI and we still don't pick up many points for the first month or so)