Dyche - HE'S GONE
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Bluedylan1
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Re: Dyche
He is very much a ''trust the process, stick with the plan'' kind of manager. Sometimes that's helped us, sometimes it's cost us.
Wouldn't mind the odd game where we just threw the kitchen sink at someone with 2 or even 3 forwards starting.
Wouldn't mind the odd game where we just threw the kitchen sink at someone with 2 or even 3 forwards starting.
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eyesalwaysblue
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Re: Dyche
Like i said in the matchday thread, he's got a load of credit in the bank, so while it was really disappointing today i'm not getting carried away and too downcast about it all.
Apart from villa that's the only real stinker all season.
He got it badly wrong today.
A couple of weeks break now until the next league game, re-charge our batteries, get doucoure back and off we go again.
Re: Dyche
Some of the criticisms on here are a bit short sighted, reactionary and lack a sensible alternative. A result of coming in a bit too excited about a few wins we've had in a row, forgetting how we've largely been over the past few years, and how small/inadequate our squad currently is.
I think 5 at the back today was mostly due to us not having only 2 of 4 available central midfielders. We've had to resort to throwing Gomes in in 3 games within a week.
Maybe we should have gone 451 with players out of their best positions. No guarantees this would have made any difference at all though as most seem to be assuming.
There must be something about Danjuma in that successive managers have been excited to bring him in, but end up hardly using him. Beggars/choosers.
This is on the player fatigue, injuries and squad depth as much as it is on Dyche, and sometimes you just come up against a better team on the day, which Wolves definitely were. There were no guarantees we'd win this, and individual errors and mental and physical fatigue cost us.
I think 5 at the back today was mostly due to us not having only 2 of 4 available central midfielders. We've had to resort to throwing Gomes in in 3 games within a week.
Maybe we should have gone 451 with players out of their best positions. No guarantees this would have made any difference at all though as most seem to be assuming.
There must be something about Danjuma in that successive managers have been excited to bring him in, but end up hardly using him. Beggars/choosers.
This is on the player fatigue, injuries and squad depth as much as it is on Dyche, and sometimes you just come up against a better team on the day, which Wolves definitely were. There were no guarantees we'd win this, and individual errors and mental and physical fatigue cost us.
Re: Dyche
By the same token you can say there must be something about Michael Keane that every manager we've had has brought him into the team and subsequently dropped him for good.
If he wanted to protect Gomes then he should have brought on Danjuma and moved Harrison behind DCL so that he could help out in the midfield where it was obvious our 2 couldn't cope. It's not like we haven't seen Harrison play there this season.
Also, it's not like Wolves aren't playing a packed December and don't have injuries and fatigue of their own. They were arguably without their best player at CM today in Lemina.
Dyche got it wrong. He got the starting line-up wrong which is no shame because even the very best have done that. It is really poor that he didn't change things when it was obvious what was happening and indeed going to happen. We were lucky to get in at HT 0-1 down but still in the game, it was the perfect time to make changes.
It doesn't make him a terrible manager and it doesn't mean he should be sacked, but there's no need to make excuses for him when it's clear as day what happened. And let's not make out Wolves are world beaters, we were ahead of them without the points deduction.
It's done and we move onto the next match, but I don't know why people are so sensitive to Dyche critcism/praise.
If he wanted to protect Gomes then he should have brought on Danjuma and moved Harrison behind DCL so that he could help out in the midfield where it was obvious our 2 couldn't cope. It's not like we haven't seen Harrison play there this season.
Also, it's not like Wolves aren't playing a packed December and don't have injuries and fatigue of their own. They were arguably without their best player at CM today in Lemina.
Dyche got it wrong. He got the starting line-up wrong which is no shame because even the very best have done that. It is really poor that he didn't change things when it was obvious what was happening and indeed going to happen. We were lucky to get in at HT 0-1 down but still in the game, it was the perfect time to make changes.
It doesn't make him a terrible manager and it doesn't mean he should be sacked, but there's no need to make excuses for him when it's clear as day what happened. And let's not make out Wolves are world beaters, we were ahead of them without the points deduction.
It's done and we move onto the next match, but I don't know why people are so sensitive to Dyche critcism/praise.
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Sir Stealth
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Bit of a reality check the last couple of games. With a 10 point deduction we are gonna be in a relegation scrap. We will finish in the bottom 5, I just hope for safety again and to get to the new stadium still a premier league team. Full strength and in form we can give anyone a game, we haven’t got much depth outside of our starting 11 though. Hopefully Dyche will avoid going to the 5 at the back again as he’s disrupting the 1 thing that should always be solid for us, which is the back 4 and the keeper
Would not risk Doucoure til he’s fully fit, he is the key to staying up
Would not risk Doucoure til he’s fully fit, he is the key to staying up
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Bluedylan1
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Re: Dyche
I still feel really calm that we'll move clear of relegation, when we get back to playing a game every week with our key players back. I think we've demonstrated that we're a better team that most of the teams in the bottom half of the table and that will be reflected in results. We have 26 points on performance, and I think we threw maybe another 10 points away right at the start of the season in some of those horrible losses.
I don't mean to say that in a ''stop worrying, people aren't allowed to feel worried'' way either. People can feel how they want, and I totally get why sitting in 17th after 3 straight league defeats would worry anyone. It's perfectly reasonable to be seriously worried about relegation. I just don't feel like that at all, based on the evidence.
We've had a rough few games for sure, and Wolves was horrible from start to finish. Aside from Forest, the results went well for us again yesterday, so it could've been worse. I was genuinely worried we'd be marooned in the relegation zone, come the end of December maybe having to make up 5/6 points on teams above us to get out of it, so I'm pleasantly surprised that we're not. I also think having 4 straight wins and then 3 straight losses has maybe added to the anxiety. If those 4 wins had been evenly spread out over the 7 games so that it was win-loss-win-loss... (etc), again I think people might be feeling better, but they didn't.
The only thing I can see derailing us properly would be another points deduction or a load of simultaneous injuries to key players (both of which could happen obviously), but all else being equal I think we'll be away from relegation, and then might even get a few points back on the deduction as a bonus.
I really feel we're in much, much better shape than in the previous few seasons, where everything was a shambles from game to game and you didn't know the starting team or the formation from one week to the next. It felt like hope and luck when we picked up points then. Now we have a regular side, we have a basic style of play, we have methods of scoring goals, we can shut games down. I also feel like there is a solid manager with solid processes overseeing things, which never felt like the case in the past few seasons. He's not my ideal Everton manager, for sure, but I'm confident that we won't go into a tailspin or crisis mode under him. I think he will just stick to what he does, keep calm and that will earn us more than enough points to be secure.
I don't mean to say that in a ''stop worrying, people aren't allowed to feel worried'' way either. People can feel how they want, and I totally get why sitting in 17th after 3 straight league defeats would worry anyone. It's perfectly reasonable to be seriously worried about relegation. I just don't feel like that at all, based on the evidence.
We've had a rough few games for sure, and Wolves was horrible from start to finish. Aside from Forest, the results went well for us again yesterday, so it could've been worse. I was genuinely worried we'd be marooned in the relegation zone, come the end of December maybe having to make up 5/6 points on teams above us to get out of it, so I'm pleasantly surprised that we're not. I also think having 4 straight wins and then 3 straight losses has maybe added to the anxiety. If those 4 wins had been evenly spread out over the 7 games so that it was win-loss-win-loss... (etc), again I think people might be feeling better, but they didn't.
The only thing I can see derailing us properly would be another points deduction or a load of simultaneous injuries to key players (both of which could happen obviously), but all else being equal I think we'll be away from relegation, and then might even get a few points back on the deduction as a bonus.
I really feel we're in much, much better shape than in the previous few seasons, where everything was a shambles from game to game and you didn't know the starting team or the formation from one week to the next. It felt like hope and luck when we picked up points then. Now we have a regular side, we have a basic style of play, we have methods of scoring goals, we can shut games down. I also feel like there is a solid manager with solid processes overseeing things, which never felt like the case in the past few seasons. He's not my ideal Everton manager, for sure, but I'm confident that we won't go into a tailspin or crisis mode under him. I think he will just stick to what he does, keep calm and that will earn us more than enough points to be secure.
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Toddacelli
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Re: Dyche
There’s been some good posts above.
One of the things I was thinking is that if Dyche is hammering into them ‘trust the process’ then I think this might be counterintuitive if he then doesn’t trust them to bring it back around by changing things too early.
Personally I wanted to to see changes before half time, but really didn’t expect Dyche to make changes before then. I did expect him to at least tweak it by half time though because we were not really working at all.
Anyway, long story short, I don’t think he’s gonna make any unforced changes in any game, ever, before the 60-70 minute mark.
One of the things I was thinking is that if Dyche is hammering into them ‘trust the process’ then I think this might be counterintuitive if he then doesn’t trust them to bring it back around by changing things too early.
Personally I wanted to to see changes before half time, but really didn’t expect Dyche to make changes before then. I did expect him to at least tweak it by half time though because we were not really working at all.
Anyway, long story short, I don’t think he’s gonna make any unforced changes in any game, ever, before the 60-70 minute mark.