Jordan Pickford

[StirlingBlue]

Different generations. Can't compare. Nev was great but so is Pickford. Dixie Dean was a great goal scorer in his time but probably wouldn't get the same goals now.

Can’t compare directly to each other but you can compare within their generations to their peers.

Southall was in the discussion for best keeper in the world, a Pickford has never been in that discussion.

[superpull]

Can’t compare directly to each other but you can compare within their generations to their peers.

Southall was in the discussion for best keeper in the world, a Pickford has never been in that discussion.

My entire argument is that the last part is border-line criminal.

It's such a weird boas against him. Even the other day, Carragher and Keane were talking about England's "Keeper problem" because their number 1 was at a club constantly fighting relegation.

The reason i think it's unfair to say "Southall was spoken about as being one of the best in the world" (he was by the way, obviously i am not arguing against that), is because if Pickford had spent the last 5 years at Liverpool, Arsenal, United or Chelsea - then every man and his dog in the media would have hailed him as one of the best in the world.

[Toddacelli]

My entire argument is that the last part is border-line criminal.

It's such a weird boas against him. Even the other day, Carragher and Keane were talking about England's "Keeper problem" because their number 1 was at a club constantly fighting relegation.

The reason i think it's unfair to say "Southall was spoken about as being one of the best in the world" (he was by the way, obviously i am not arguing against that), is because if Pickford had spent the last 5 years at Liverpool, Arsenal, United or Chelsea - then every man and his dog in the media would have hailed him as one of the best in the world.

Southall also played for a minnow at International level, but was still part of the conversation. And played past his best when Everton were shit again. Everton were in the relegation zone the year he joined if I recall. You can always make these arguments about public perception and bias but that is a different subject entirely.

Many people regarded Southall as the best in the world in his prime.

I don’t think any people regard Pickford as the best in the world, despite how loved and respected he is at Everton.

[Matt1878]

Southall was the reason I was a keeper when I was little, an absolute legend.

I love Pickford but Southall was another level all together.

Best keepers I've ever seen are Southall and Peter Schmeichel, maybe add Oliver Khan in to that conversation too.

Pickford is a fantastic keeper, but Southall was genuinely world class.

Yeah me too, my 2 favourite players were Southall and Rats. Must say something when at 9 your 2 heroes are a keeper and centreback.

Was going to meet the team after the game when they played Shrewsbury but I had chickenpox and my Mum wouldn't let me go. Dad was in the bar with them (used to play with Bracewell so knew him quite well) he was allowed on to the bus to get Southall's autograph for me. He was asleep on the back seat but happily signed it.

[74Blue]

No other keeper dominated their box quite like Southall. The second he comes off his line, you just knew that ball was his, whether he was coming to catch it or punch it clear, there was only ever going to be one winner.

[Stumpy]

Southall was also the only goalkeeper to win the Football Writers' award back when it was quite a high profile award to win, if I recall.

Yeah that was the fantastic 84-85 season.
We had 6 players in double figures , including sharp who i think netted 28 in all competitions.
Yet Southall was named the football writers player of the year.
Tells you all you need to know how good he was.
His horrific injury playing for wales the following season in my mind probably cost us the title, with no disrespects to Bobby mimms.
No doubt with bias in mind, with also being welsh, he's the best i've seen

[Bluebridge]

Yeah that was the fantastic 84-85 season.
We had 6 players in double figures , including sharp who i think netted 28 in all competitions.
Yet Southall was named the football writers player of the year.
Tells you all you need to know how good he was.
His horrific injury playing for wales the following season in my mind probably cost us the title, with no disrespects to Bobby mimms.
No doubt with bias in mind, with also being welsh, he's the best i've seen

Don’t think Mimms was to blame to be fair, I’m pretty sure he barely conceded, certainly in his first half dozen games or so. It was Lineker’s boots that cost us.

[Bluebridge]

Just checked, he conceded 3 in last 9 games of the season, in the last three games…….

[Stumpy]

Don’t think Mimms was to blame to be fair, I’m pretty sure he barely conceded, certainly in his first half dozen games or so. It was Lineker’s boots that cost us.

I'm not saying that mimms was to blame, he was a decent enough keeper, but wasn't like southall the best in the world.
And while it's hard to remember all the run in that season, we did concede in games including chucking a 1-0 lead away at luton with 9 mins to play on that horrible plastic pitch and we lost 2-1, again i'm not blaming mimms, i can't remember what their goals were like what i am saying is we lost the best in the world
However you are right about Lineker, his misses against Oxford cost us dear, we should have had double figures that night.
And 39 years on i'm still haunted by that game

[Stumpy]

Just checked, he conceded 3 in last 9 games of the season, in the last three games…….

Sorry Bluebridge my mistake.
Did mimms just play the last 9 league games, it seems like he was in for longer than that.
And if it was the last 9 games then that meant southall was in goal for that Luton game, and i thought that was near the end of the season.
I'm getting too old now, my mind is playing tricks on me.
My argument doesn't hold water

[Efcforlife]

We are lucky to off had either of them.

The suggestion of Nev being a level above Pickford is absolutely “butty short” if you ask me but that’s the nature of opinion I guess. Before anyone says it I’m aware no one asked me lol

Nev would struggle in the modern game in my opinion. Being a goalkeeper used to be about the 2 hours on match day. It’s way more than that and Jordan ticks every box, Nev wouldnt

It’s almost romantic to pick Nev over Pickford, how old are the people choosing Nev I wonder

Ultimately though, who cares : )

[Stumpy]

We are lucky to off had either of them.

The suggestion of Nev being a level above Pickford is absolutely “butty short” if you ask me but that’s the nature of opinion I guess. Before anyone says it I’m aware no one asked me lol

Nev would struggle in the modern game in my opinion. Being a goalkeeper used to be about the 2 hours on match day. It’s way more than that and Jordan ticks every box, Nev wouldnt

It’s almost romantic to pick Nev over Pickford, how old are the people choosing Nev I wonder

Ultimately though, who cares : )

Why is it romantic?
Southall in many peoples minds, not just us evertonians was the best in the world in that era.
I'm not basing anything on romance.
Those of us lucky to be around at that time know for a fact how good he was, and he was world class.
Again why would he struggle in the modern game?.
You seriously think being a goalkeeper in the 80's was just turning up on a saturday.
I'm guessing you weren't around when he was in his pomp.
Pickford is an outstanding keeper, and your right we are lucky to have him.
And in reality we would probably be in the championship without him over the last few seasons.
Your also right in that it's all about opinions, and yours is that Pickford is better.
I know who i would pick out of the two, as i've stated.
It had nothing to do with romance, just the facts, the main one being he was in my opinion and plenty of others the best in the world.

[Bluebridge]

Sorry Bluebridge my mistake.
Did mimms just play the last 9 league games, it seems like he was in for longer than that.
And if it was the last 9 games then that meant southall was in goal for that Luton game, and i thought that was near the end of the season.
I'm getting too old now, my mind is playing tricks on me.
My argument doesn't hold water

Yes the last 9 league games, it did seem longer didn’t it.

[74Blue]

Why is it romantic?
Southall in many peoples minds, not just us evertonians was the best in the world in that era.
I'm not basing anything on romance.
Those of us lucky to be around at that time know for a fact how good he was, and he was world class.
Again why would he struggle in the modern game?.
You seriously think being a goalkeeper in the 80's was just turning up on a saturday.
I'm guessing you weren't around when he was in his pomp.
Pickford is an outstanding keeper, and your right we are lucky to have him.
And in reality we would probably be in the championship without him over the last few seasons.
Your also right in that it's all about opinions, and yours is that Pickford is better.
I know who i would pick out of the two, as i've stated.
It had nothing to do with romance, just the facts, the main one being he was in my opinion and plenty of others the best in the world.

Spot on! Pickford is an excellent keeper, but Southall was another level. He was dominant in his box, agile and an intimidating figure for strikers to face. He was also a very decent shot stopper.

No disrespect to JP, but Nev remains the best keeper I have ever seen live in an Everton shirt. If you saw him in his pomp, you would understand why so many agree. He was exceptionally good.

Bobby Mimms was a reasonably decent keeper in his own right, but the significant drop off in quality was there to see when Nev picked up his injury.

[Toddacelli]

Agile, acrobatic, fast feet, sticky gloves, great positioning, unbelievable reflexes and incredible record on 1v1s. Peerless.

It’s insulting to say “How old are the people choosing Nev I wonder?”

Yes I’m old enough to have seen him live and Pickford. I’m still only in my 40s so I’m not senile and I understand how the game has changed year by year in between.

Imagine saying in 20 years time that Messi or Ronaldo are the best you’ve ever seen and someone accusing you of romanticising. It’s just ignorant.

Yes the game changes, but class, as they say, is permanent.