superpull wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:31 am
Both legit lines of thought Todd, Shogs - but not quite what is being asked in this case.
Did the sporting advantage Everton gained by breaking the agreed upon rules have anything to do with us being 4 points ahead of them.
So, did the money we spent over and above the rules "gain us" 4 points (we had a worse goal difference, so one win and on draw out of 38 due to our illegal spending).
From my point of view, when it came to player trading and wages, we weren't drastically over. Our punishment came because of shit accounting that meant we included build costs for infrastructure that is only today benefitting us. so it feels like we shouldn't worry at all.
But, because of the huge can of worms this *could* open, i expect we are under quite a lot of pressure from the Premier League to settle this case before a ruling.
But what if I contest that their own bad use of substitutions that season caused them to drop 8 points?
What if some of the refereeing decisions cost them another 4? Or us another 6?
What I am saying is - sporting advantage yes or no does not matter because it is not the only contributing factor. You cannot have 100 contributing factors to a situation and decide to sue one for the total net result.
What's the difference between this and Ghana suing Uruguay for suarezs handball. Purely because they didn't capitalise on the punishment (the penalty) given
Toddacelli wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:15 pm
But what if I contest that their own bad use of substitutions that season caused them to drop 8 points?
What if some of the refereeing decisions cost them another 4? Or us another 6?
What I am saying is - sporting advantage yes or no does not matter because it is not the only contributing factor. You cannot have 100 contributing factors to a situation and decide to sue one for the total net result.
I think that's exactly why we're quite safe.
It's not so much about them dropping points - the actual argument is about us gaining 4 points.
But the reverse of all your points are then true. It's such a ludicrous ask to able to distil down how or why we earned/lost each individual point I just can't see it getting anywhere.
But the premier League will be terrified of them winning even a small victory. A "we can't ascertain the exact amount, but on a pound by pound averageon wages it's safe to assume Evertons expected points were less if they had £7m a year less on wages" so we have to pay something.
That happens and the floodgates open. End-of-times level bad for the Premier League. (Mainly for all the reasons @777Kidnappings is pointing out.)
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:09 pm
I've said ever since this was proposed that they should be suing the Premier League not us, as we have been punished by the ruling body accordingly. If that punishment wasn't enough or they didn't punish us when they should have, that's not on us it's on the Premier League.
I still fail to see in what world we would be due to pay compensation for a non legal infraction that the governing body punished us in accordance with their rules.
This is it for me as well, it’s the PL’s fault we weren’t punished sooner. Plus as I said the clubs themselves agreed the rules and punishments so don’t see how any club could sue another.
Great watch. I was already excited enough seeing the changes on the field, but if this all goes to plan then there are long term improvements that will have a lasting impact on the club happening behind the scenes.
I love the bit about when Kinnear explains that he and others had done a lot of research into analytics companies and decided on the one they thought was best, they didn’t hire that company, Friedkin bought the company instead now they work for Everton and Roma exclusively.
Escalator wrote: ↑Fri Sep 19, 2025 3:42 pm
Don’t really share your cynicism, have we been here before ? Are you comparing Kenwright/Moshiri with this set up ?
No, just saying we’ve been here before with chief execs, directors of football, managers, saying how well they speak in interviews.
He’s not doing an interview with a fan channel for any other reason than to come across well. He knows what to say, how to say it and when to say it. It’s all part of his job.
Not to say he won’t be good in his role, but in a billion dollar industry he probably isn’t anything to get too enthusiastic about.
It’s all about being run like a proper football club again which seems like it’s happening and that’s good though.
Escalator wrote: ↑Fri Sep 19, 2025 3:00 pm
I love the bit about when Kinnear explains that he and others had done a lot of research into analytics companies and decided on the one they thought was best, they didn’t hire that company, Friedkin bought the company instead now they work for Everton and Roma exclusively.
Have a look at that company's turnover on companies house.
