Thierno Barry

[Fynci]

This debate is going to run and run, I still think that the right approach is to pick Beto or Barry, depending on the team that we're playing. They both have something to offer.

I see Beto more of a battering ram that will bag some goals. Barry is a more intelligent runner, and creates openings for others.

[Cereal Killer]

This debate is going to run and run, I still think that the right approach is to pick Beto or Barry, depending on the team that we're playing. They both have something to offer.

I see Beto more of a battering ram that will bag some goals. Barry is a more intelligent runner, and creates openings for others.

Someone please tell Moyes neither is a target man so stop with the fucking long balls and expecting anything to happen

[OldEnglandToffee]

Someone please tell Moyes neither is a target man so stop with the fucking long balls and expecting anything to happen

I don’t think we overdid it. And we won’t against weaker teams. But I think even against Liverpool we won a fair bit of territory and Hitler Alberts (second balls).

I’m a big fan of mixing it up like jive bunny. So easy to play against Harry Styles (one dimensional football)

Thought I should try and create a few more new terms. To go with Dwight foot (non favoured foot)

[Blueomar]

I don’t think we overdid it. And we won’t against weaker teams. But I think even against Liverpool we won a fair bit of territory and Hitler Alberts (second balls).

I’m a big fan of mixing it up like jive bunny. So easy to play against Harry Styles (one dimensional football)

Thought I should try and create a few more new terms. To go with Dwight foot (non favoured foot)

Are you smelling burnt toast, mate?

[Toddacelli]

I don’t think we overdid it. And we won’t against weaker teams. But I think even against Liverpool we won a fair bit of territory and Hitler Alberts (second balls).

I’m a big fan of mixing it up like jive bunny. So easy to play against Harry Styles (one dimensional football)

Thought I should try and create a few more new terms. To go with Dwight foot (non favoured foot)

Hacked?

[Toddacelli]

I’ll tell you what’s bothering me.

I think Moyes felt he had to play Beto from the start and I understand why - the shirt was Beto’s to lose and Barry has to come in and prove himself and take it. As it turns out, Beto has lost it without Barry having to really take it but it comes back to the same thing - I think Barry will start most games and Beto will come on to bully tired defenders later on.

Anyway, I digress, this is what bothers me:

Why aren’t we playing to our strikers strengths?

We got the best return out of Beto by playing through balls for him to run onto and face the keeper 1:1. Yet now we seem to want to drop it on his head from a mile up in the sky while he is stood still, heavily marked, with his back to goal around the edge of the centre circle. This is not where he flourishes.

Likewise Barry seems to be set up for quick one-twos and balls around the corner, playing off shoulders.

When one comes on for the other - do we see ANY difference in the way the team plays? I don’t think so.

I really think we need to lay to their strengths, it yielded good results with Beto and surely it yields better result with any player if we play to their strengths.

I’m not convinced about the calls for Grealish in the centre, but the one thing that I do think it would do is to give Barry someone with enough footballing intelligence to play him in where he wants it.

[MayorFarnham]

I’ll tell you what’s bothering me.

I think Moyes felt he had to play Beto from the start and I understand why - the shirt was Beto’s to lose and Barry has to come in and prove himself and take it. As it turns out, Beto has lost it without Barry having to really take it but it comes back to the same thing - I think Barry will start most games and Beto will come on to bully tired defenders later on.

Anyway, I digress, this is what bothers me:

Why aren’t we playing to our strikers strengths?

We got the best return out of Beto by playing through balls for him to run onto and face the keeper 1:1. Yet now we seem to want to drop it on his head from a mile up in the sky while he is stood still, heavily marked, with his back to goal around the edge of the centre circle. This is not where he flourishes.

Likewise Barry seems to be set up for quick one-twos and balls around the corner, playing off shoulders.

When one comes on for the other - do we see ANY difference in the way the team plays? I don’t think so.

I really think we need to lay to their strengths, it yielded good results with Beto and surely it yields better result with any player if we play to their strengths.

I’m not convinced about the calls for Grealish in the centre, but the one thing that I do think it would do is to give Barry someone with enough footballing intelligence to play him in where he wants it.

I think teams were a lot more open against us last season as they fancied their chances of a win because we did so poorly for so much of the season. Beto and whoever we play up front will not have so much space this time around.

[Toddacelli]

I think teams were a lot more open against us last season as they fancied their chances of a win because we did so poorly for so much of the season. Beto and whoever we play up front will not have so much space this time around.

I agree, but doesn’t that mean we should pull back, invite them on, move them around and switch it quickly to give him that space?

[Bumble]

I think it looks pretty simple.

Barry looks like the option best suited to working with the three players behind him. Capable of gaining their confidence of playing a one-two; using him as an outlet to fire the ball in to and set off running comfortable with the fact the ball isn't going to bounce off his shins and the move break down; the preferred option out of two to improve given a run of games.

Use Beto when we need a lot less finesse and a more agricultural approach against some big lads at the back.

[Toddacelli]

I think it looks pretty simple.

Barry looks like the option best suited to working with the three players behind him. Capable of gaining their confidence of playing a one-two; using him as an outlet to fire the ball in to and set off running comfortable with the fact the ball isn't going to bounce off his shins and the move break down; the preferred option out of two to improve given a run of games.

Use Beto when we need a lot less finesse and a more agricultural approach against some big lads at the back.

Agree 100% which is why I have concerns that we seem to play the same way, regardless of whether it is Barry or Beto on the pitch.

[Shogun]

Tough night tonight, wasn't it? He just never looks like scoring or even having a shot most of the time. Doesn't seem up to it physically at the moment.

Given that he played a lot and started a lot for a Villarreal side who finished 5th then I'm quite shocked how much he's struggling.

[Cozzie]

Might just be me, but I get the feeling he doesn't really want to be here, or he didn't want the move.

Might just be his body language, not sure.

Feel he needs a goal.

Would still continue to start him.

Can't really depend on either him or Beto though really can you.

[Lazarou II]

Same as Beto if you think theres a good chance you are getting subbed at half time then it's not a good place to be.

Moyes should stop fucking about and just play one of them for a few matches, Beto has had a run and he has either been okay or shite.

I am surprised at how poor his heading is, not that being a big man guarantees heading capability but surely he should have some sort of ability to use his height to an advantage, every single decent heading chance he has got underneath it in a almost carbon copy fashion.

We are not in a good place for the striker position at the moment.

[TheRam]

Iliman will end up being our main striker I think.

Don’t see moyes trusting Barry or beto

[Shogun]

Iliman will end up being our main striker I think.

Don’t see moyes trusting Barry or beto

Would he trust Illi though? Not exactly going to be holding the ball up from 40 yard slappers and winning headers himself. If we'd signed Soucek he'd 100% be up top for us.