David Moyes

[sam of the south]

If you insist on playing Coleman lb, maybe try Aznou at lw, let him off the leash, as his vids (yeah I know) seem to suggest he’s pretty good going forward, unlike this version of McNeil.

[Cods]

If our reserve players aren't going to play in a cup, when are they going to have a chance to push their claim, or simply gain match fitness?

If they're completely locked out of selection that's worse for the squad than a cup defeat.

There has to be some amount of game time afforded to them, and less important games like this one, that arguably was winnable with less than we brought last time, are the perfect opportunity.

If we win we go overboard with praise, we lose and it's 'pitchforks'....

[777Kidnappings]

Have we taken the cup any less serious than 90% of the premier league teams in it. Our reserves just aren't very good.

Think it just highlights have much we've neglected huge parts of our team. Our options at full back are criminally shite (1 up from vile) and whoever the fuck scouted probably the last 100m of strikers we've signed should hang their heads in shame

We can't flog our 9 good players to death because everyone else is a bit crap

[Kerryblueboy]

Have we taken the cup any less serious than 90% of the premier league teams in it. Our reserves just aren't very good.

Think it just highlights have much we've neglected huge parts of our team. Our options at full back are criminally shite (1 up from vile) and whoever the fuck scouted probably the last 100m of strikers we've signed should hang their heads in shame

We can't flog our 9 good players to death because everyone else is a bit crap

what flog to death are you on about 6 games in no league game for a week absolutely no need to make that many changes

[superpull]

Ahh, it's good to have the Everton of my young adulthood back

[Shogun]

I mean we don't play again until Monday.

Look at Palace... They rested Henderson, Richards and Mitchell against Millwall in this round last week. The other 8 that started that match all started against West Ham at the weekend too.

If they can manage to play their best players in it and keep the core of their team whilst competing in Europe then what's our excuse?

[Indiantoffee75]

I was perplexed he took of Alcaraz. He was the only one driving forward at times.

I think we seem to just isolate whoever plays up top, we need to try something different by either playing Ndiaye or Alcaraz close behind either Beto or Barry.

The ten seems to be miles behind the forward

[superpull]

@Bluedylan1 has called me out for my negativity around Moyes (justifiably), so I run my gut reactions through a filter, but:

This is what you get with Moyes. In the league he will be dependable. He will forever move the needle forward.
But in cup games, or when it really, really matters, he will choke

[Cods]

I mean we don't play again until Monday.

Look at Palace... They rested Henderson, Richards and Mitchell against Millwall in this round last week. The other 8 that started that match all started against West Ham at the weekend too.

If they can manage to play their best players in it and keep the core of their team whilst competing in Europe then what's our excuse?

Having to almost completely gut our squad of quality over the last 5ish years, and an opportunity to blood our fringe/new players...

We're at very different trajectories right now.

Whilst they've had the relative luxury of slowly building over the same period and longer, we've had to 'cut and shut' and see if it works.

Amongst others, Palace have 3 strikers that would walk it in here and much of their squad is settled.

[Shogun]

Having to almost completely gut our squad of quality over the last 5ish years, and an opportunity to blood our fringe/new players...

Where at very different trajectories right now.

Whilst they've had the relative luxury of slowly building over the same period and longer, we've had to 'cut and shut' and see if it works.

Amongst others, Palace have 3 strikers that would walk it in here and much of their squad is settled.

Sorry Cods, not following that at all. If they don't feel the need to blood in fringe players and/or rest players for a cup match in this competition when they're competing with Europe then why should we?

Everybody, including Moyes, knows what our best team is outside of the ST and fullbacks (and we both know Coleman isn't going to be our left back), so are we claiming Alcaraz/McNeil/Tim are genuinely going to displace Grealish/KDH/Gana and this was their opportunity to do so?

Palace have a small squad and fielded their best team despite having another competition to compete in. Although maybe that's why their manager achieved something in 18 months that Moyes hasn't in 25 years since he became a manager in this country.

Worth noting I'm not in a million years saying Moyes Out but he deserves massive criticism for that tonight and I don't think the Friedkins will be impressed either.

[TheRam]

The owners won’t be arsed.

They’ll probably try to get it scrapped in a few years with everyone else.

The priority is the league. It should never be the cups.

Doesn’t mean you have to tank them and moyes probably did make too many changes tonight but the game on Monday is the most important thing to the club.

[toffee_scot]

Ahh, it's good to have the Everton of my young adulthood back

I was thinking this too for myself haha.

I always remember Moyes trying to fit square pegs in round holes but this season he’s gone turbo.

As well as shitting himself away to the Sky Six.

Just need him to convert Beto and Barry into wingers on the right channel.

[Cods]

Sorry Cods, not following that at all. If they don't feel the need to blood in fringe players and/or rest players for a cup match in this competition when they're competing with Europe then why should we?

Everybody, including Moyes, knows what our best team is outside of the ST and fullbacks (and we both know Coleman isn't going to be our left back), so are we claiming Alcaraz/McNeil/Tim are genuinely going to displace Grealish/KDH/Gana and this was their opportunity to do so?

Palace have a small squad and fielded their best team despite having another competition to compete in. Although maybe that's why their manager achieved something in 18 months that Moyes hasn't in 25 years since he became a manager in this country.

Worth noting I'm not in a million years saying Moyes Out but he deserves massive criticism for that tonight and I don't think the Friedkins will be impressed either.

I'm saying we as a club have different priorities and we are at very different stages of managerial lifecycle, so its not a 'like for like' comparison with Palace.

Palace have a squad of 30, ours is listed as 25 with one more keeper than they have.

Many of our top 15 players, and importantly the ones we'll likely need during the season, have less than 10 competitive games so far for us.

Palace have a largely settled squad, know, and have experience in playing together and have had their tactics down over the last 20 or so months; what works best and against who.

We dont, despite knowing what our best 11 likely is, we don't know *how* it works best as we've not really had that opportunity due to a number of reasons.

We're in a lose-lose position where we cant say out loud that we dont care about the Carabou Cup, but we dont. League is first and sole priority right now.

We're a long way from gelling with an admittedly bit-part half-replaced unbalanced squad which is known to be far from complete as we've no headroom to fix it in one window.

We cant fix everything right now and there's likely, no, there's definitely, going to be many more bumps in the road.

Not saying you are, but anyone even suggesting Moyes Out after one loss of an unimportant fixture needs to take out all of the emotion and see sense.

He's being judged on short term goals by reactionary fans who all knew better in hindsight, when his contract is for considerably longer, and contains different and more important targets than the Carabou Cup.

[superpull]

The owners won’t be arsed.

They’ll probably try to get it scrapped in a few years with everyone else.

The priority is the league. It should never be the cups.

Doesn’t mean you have to tank them and moyes probably did make too many changes tonight but the game on Monday is the most important thing to the club.

Do you personally agree with the fact a September game against West Ham is more important than winning a cup?

[UnsyisaRhino]

I'm saying we as a club have different priorities and we are at very different stages of managerial lifecycle, so its not a 'like for like' comparison with Palace.

Palace have a squad of 30, ours is listed as 25 with one more keeper than they have.

Many of our top 15 players, and importantly the ones we'll likely need during the season, have less than 10 competitive games so far for us.

Palace have a largely settled squad, know, and have experience in playing together and have had their tactics down over the last 20 or so months; what works best and against who.

We dont, despite knowing what our best 11 likely is, we don't know *how* it works best as we've not really had that opportunity due to a number of reasons.

We're in a lose-lose position where we cant say out loud that we dont care about the Carabou Cup, but we dont. League is first and sole priority right now.

We're a long way from gelling with an admittedly bit-part half-replaced unbalanced squad which is known to be far from complete as we've no headroom to fix it in one window.

We cant fix everything right now and there's likely, no, there's definitely, going to be many more bumps in the road.

Not saying you are, but anyone even suggesting Moyes Out after one loss of an unimportant fixture needs to take out all of the emotion and see sense.

He's being judged on short term goals by reactionary fans who all knew better in hindsight, when his contract is for considerably longer, and contains different and more important targets than the Carabou Cup.

Spot on.

Tonight was shit, but in reality we had very little chance of winning and as fun as the season has been so far, we've still got a million miles to go.

Our focus this year is stability and the first big steps towards a balanced squad. We're only half way there as is, not a good squad, just one that has all the right pieces ready to go.