David Moyes

[toffee_scot]

I can’t believe it’s nearly been a full year since he became manager again.

Fair play to him in what he’s achieved during this time, especially the amount of points we’ve accumulated with a team that is arguably poorer in quality compared to what he worked with between 2007 to 2013.

Of course there have been some frustrations with some substitutions, starting lineups, a few disappointing results at home etc but no manager is perfect and if you take a step back and reflect then we are most definitely in a much better place now as a club than this time last year.

[Matt1878]

He could do these pressers in his sleep couldnt he. Imagine giving the same cagey answers to the same dull questions for over 20 years, poor bloke.

[sam of the south]

He could do these pressers in his sleep couldnt he. Imagine giving the same cagey answers to the same dull questions for over 20 years, poor bloke.

Yeah, and they say nurses have it tough

[bigmanbob]

I think we should buy him a new mug for his brews in the prezzers. He must be fed up drinking out them paper cups

[Bluedylan1]

He's dead good. I love him.

[Shogun]

I never realised he came to Goodison with Preston before joining us.

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23:45 Post Match Interview

[Bluebridge]

He sounds squeaky

[Matt1878]

Jeffers was a real talent, shame he fucked off to Arsenal.

[Blues Mahoney]

I think he's great, I'd be in no rush to get rid of him. I don't know how he gets some of the results he does.

Our squad isn't good, even at full strength it's just ok. Lower mid table as you can get. Balance off, holes everywhere.

So how does he do it? Can someone with a better understanding of football tactics and stats explain it?

I often see how he over performed in league performances with West Ham compared to the 'stats'. I'm seeing the same thing here with others posting stats saying we shouldn't be where we are in the league.

So honestly, how does he keep doing it on a consistent basis? Genuine question. Ta

[Bluedylan1]

I think he's great, I'd be in no rush to get rid of him. I don't know how he gets some of the results he does.

Our squad isn't good, even at full strength it's just ok. Lower mid table as you can get. Balance off, holes everywhere.

So how does he do it? Can someone with a better understanding of football tactics and stats explain it?

I often see how he over performed in league performances with West Ham compared to the 'stats'. I'm seeing the same thing here with others posting stats saying we shouldn't be where we are in the league.

So honestly, how does he keep doing it on a consistent basis? Genuine question. Ta

I'll have a go at it.

I think for a start he's always been expert at getting a lot from minimal resources (whether playing staff or finances). He was brilliant at that in his first stint as you'll remember, and it's been a quality that's never left him. If anything he's struggled a bit when he's had more options and resources available to him. Having limitations seems to get the most out of him. How to explain that? It's difficult.

One key aspect of his ability is that he's incredibly thorough and detail-orientated. He knew he wanted to be a manager in his early 20s as a player. He was taking coaching badges that early, and he was compiling notes on players/managers/teams/tactics at that young age. I think that's incredibly rare. How many players only start to think about their life after football in their mid-30s?

I remember in his first spell with us, him and his coaches/scouts had this vast database of players that they'd put together (a longtime before the stats/data revolution) and they would update it constantly, moving players up and down lists for possible future transfers. This is a quote from an article in the Independent about scouting in his first stint at Everton -

He operates from the recruitment room. Its contents are cherished and highly classified. They represent Everton's most valuable intellectual property. Moyes' entire transfer strategy is mapped out on a succession of whiteboards which cover all four walls. This is the visualisation of a principle, the distillation of a philosophy. It underlines the collegiate nature of his approach and the clinical brilliance of his management skills.

Everything is self-contained, yet inter-reliant. Moyes has 5,000 reports stored online, on around 1,000 potential targets. They conform to a blueprint, which matches the club's culture, aspirations and financial status. A series of internal scouting conferences analyse trends and standardise reporting mechanisms.

Each scout must assess every player under the age of 24 at his match, and grade them on specific aspects of performance. Moyes has produced what he calls "an MOT Test", where players are judged against a checklist of up to 12 criteria for each position.

The optimal aim is to have up to 50 reports on a primary transfer target, written by between 10 and 12 scouts. The manager's commitment inspires loyalty and, it must be said, a little awe. Steve Brown, who took Smith's role as principal performance analyst, hails Moyes' "brilliance" in devising specific tactical strategies. The same qualities which make him a leading coach – according to Brown, "he's so detailed, thorough and methodical in his work" – make him a good judge of a player. The complementary disciplines coalesce in the preparation of a two-tiered game plan, which draws on detail contained in Everton's opposition scouting reports.

All of that was in like 2003-2004 and beyond, way ahead of it's time for most clubs. That's how the recruitment in his first stint was so good, and at times you can see why it was ''dithering Dave''. We had so little money, we couldn't afford to waste it and he treated it like it was his own. Obviously he didn't get them all right (Per Kroldrup winks) but his hit rate was pretty spectacular.

And then beyond that insane intention to detail, as @Shogun said the other day, he's managed to keep evolving and responding to different tactical and managerial trends, which hardly any other manager of his generation has. He still has those core old-school, working class principles of hard work, organisation, preparation which underpin his style but he's managed to ally those values to modern football trends.

On top of that, his man management skills are still really good. He doesn't feel like a dinosaur when he's relating to young players, which is an incredible interpersonal skill considering the age gap. He's 62 now, and you can see the relationship he has with his players when him and Grealish have their arms around each other, walking off the pitch. Compare that to a 54 year old Sean Dyche clipping Patterson round the head in front of the other players, and causing an atmosphere totally unnecessarily. Both old school managers in some ways, yet one feels like a sound dad that you wanna impress and get on with, and the other one feels like a weird uncle that you wouldn't feel happy leaving the kids with.

[Free Agent]

Chat GTP is a blue!

[Blues Mahoney]

I'll have a go at it.

I think for a start he's always been expert at getting a lot from minimal resources (whether playing staff or finances). He was brilliant at that in his first stint as you'll remember, and it's been a quality that's never left him. If anything he's struggled a bit when he's had more options and resources available to him. Having limitations seems to get the most out of him. How to explain that? It's difficult.

One key aspect of his ability is that he's incredibly thorough and detail-orientated. He knew he wanted to be a manager in his early 20s as a player. He was taking coaching badges that early, and he was compiling notes on players/managers/teams/tactics at that young age. I think that's incredibly rare. How many players only start to think about their life after football in their mid-30s?

I remember in his first spell with us, him and his coaches/scouts had this vast database of players that they'd put together (a longtime before the stats/data revolution) and they would update it constantly, moving players up and down lists for possible future transfers. This is a quote from an article in the Independent about scouting in his first stint at Everton -
All of that was in like 2003-2004 and beyond, way ahead of it's time for most clubs. That's how the recruitment in his first stint was so good, and at times you can see why it was ''dithering Dave''. We had so little money, we couldn't afford to waste it and he treated it like it was his own. Obviously he didn't get them all right (Per Kroldrup winks) but his hit rate was pretty spectacular.

And then beyond that insane intention to detail, as [smention u=85]Shogun[/smention] said the other day, he's managed to keep evolving and responding to different tactical and managerial trends, which hardly any other manager of his generation has. He still has those core old-school, working class principles of hard work, organisation, preparation which underpin his style but he's managed to ally those values to modern football trends.

On top of that, his man management skills are still really good. He doesn't feel like a dinosaur when he's relating to young players, which is an incredible interpersonal skill considering the age gap. He's 62 now, and you can see the relationship he has with his players when him and Grealish have their arms around each other, walking off the pitch. Compare that to a 54 year old Sean Dyche clipping Patterson round the head in front of the other players, and causing an atmosphere totally unnecessarily. Both old school managers in some ways, yet one feels like a sound dad that you wanna impress and get on with, and the other one feels like a weird uncle that you wouldn't feel happy leaving the kids with.

Wow, great response. That was a good read.

All that you've said there does make a lot of sense. It's possibly giving him that little extra boost over others. All fine margins.

Thanks for your time with that response BD

[Kerryblueboy]

He let his conservative side win today and picked the team poorly that back 4 doesn’t function stop playing Jake there why change it from forest jack was the only change we should have made he needs to stop shoving lads into positions to accommodate others

[TheRam]

Patterson started his first game of the season the other night so most probably wasn’t able to start two games in a week and there is every chance he gets legged everywhere by Schade

Moyes made the right decision imo. They players just lost the plot and we couldn’t deal with their runners.

[kramer]

I know it looked correct but he overdid it with the halftime subs.

Lost our shape entirely and even though we bagged a couple, the space we left played right into their hands.

Would’ve been enough to get McNeil off for someone who can actually run.