VAR and is there a way to fix it?

[CannockPricey]

Keep the automated stuff for when the ball is in/out, and offside.

Get rid of all the subjective stuff.

If the ref misses it, too bad,...the ref can then be judged on their performance after the game, rather than having an out being able to use the Wenger "I didn't see it" excuse. It puts the onus back onto the referee.

Severe incidents can incur retrospective bans.

Just don't stop the game so often and for so long for things that might constitute an infringement.

Totally agree. For matters of fact, like goal line technology, the tech can be improved and improved and it works well.

For subjective issues like is it a red, is it worth a penalty, you can watch it 100 times and have two referees still disagree so there is absolutely no point delaying or sucking the soul out of the game. Nothing in the years it has existed has altered my view one bit. It was a shit idea, it's been shit in practice.

[biziclop]

The only thing I'd be willing to accept VAR for is off-the-ball incidents. But even there it should only be about calling the ref to the screen to check out something they've missed.

[Risky]

Yep all VAR has done is made football worse.

Re-refereeing using multiple slowed down camera angles to still end up making a subjective decision is so far from what the game needs.

Don't get me started on offsides either. Football has completely lost sight of what the offside rule was put in place for and we're essentially seeing loads of goals that SHOULD be perfectly legitimate being ruled out for no good reason. Scares me how many football fans seem to think that having a foot or a shoulder or whatever inches in front of a defender at the split second a pass is made is what the offside law should be preventing.

It's not changing though, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle as far as football goes these days. It'll probably only get worse.

[Cereal Killer]

Yep all VAR has done is made football worse.

Re-refereeing using multiple slowed down camera angles to still end up making a subjective decision is so far from what the game needs.

Don't get me started on offsides either. Football has completely lost sight of what the offside rule was put in place for and we're essentially seeing loads of goals that SHOULD be perfectly legitimate being ruled out for no good reason. Scares me how many football fans seem to think that having a foot or a shoulder or whatever inches in front of a defender at the split second a pass is made is what the offside law should be preventing.

It's not changing though, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle as far as football goes these days. It'll probably only get worse.

PGMOL get in excess of £30m a year funding, most of it from the EPL, you’d think they’d be able to run it properly

[74Blue]

I'm really confused now. Is there, or is there not a small margin of error? The images of Florian Wirz's goal last week show that his foot is clearly a fraction ahead of the defender, but the officials overrule the "automated" VAR, with the final decision made by the bellends sat in Stockley Park drawing as many lines as necessary to give the goal. Then when it still showed he was offside, it was announced that there is a small margin of error allowed for situations like this.

Last night, Semenyo scores from a corner and VAR step in to look at it. Four minutes later, they are still looking at different angles and drawing lines in order to disallow the goal, stating that Haaland was in an offside position. From every angle, it was impossible to tell whether Haaland was even the tiniest fraction ahead, but they were absolutely determined to chalk the goal off, and did.

So my question is, does the "small margin of error" actually exist, or is this just another conveniently made up rule that applies only when PGMOL need to cover up their blatant corruption?

[wepull]

I'm really confused now. Is there, or is there not a small margin of error? The images of Florian Wirz's goal last week show that his foot is clearly a fraction ahead of the defender, but the officials overrule the "automated" VAR, with the final decision made by the bellends sat in Stockley Park drawing as many lines as necessary to give the goal. Then when it still showed he was offside, it was announced that there is a small margin of error allowed for situations like this.

Last night, Semenyo scores from a corner and VAR step in to look at it. Four minutes later, they are still looking at different angles and drawing lines in order to disallow the goal, stating that Haaland was in an offside position. From every angle, it was impossible to tell whether Haaland was even the tiniest fraction ahead, but they were absolutely determined to chalk the goal off, and did.

So my question is, does the "small margin of error" actually exist, or is this just another conveniently made up rule that applies only when PGMOL need to cover up their blatant corruption?

I haven't seen the match just the replay, but isn't Haaland clearly ahead of the keeper and that's why I think VAR was checking if he interfered in the play or not?

[Robioto]

No. Just get rid of it.

[Cods]

Footy off the pitch is now full of accountants, agents, the media and lawyers.

And on the pitch it is full of boring system-oriented robotic players, and refs with media managers, who are controlled from offices miles away.

When do we get footy back? They've completely destroyed it.

*shakes fist at clouds*

[Lazarou II]

[Audrey Horne]

hahahahahahahha

[Shogun]

Not sure why but Arsenal away from a few years ago is something that always stick in my head when it comes to VAR. Use it for decisions (offsides) that are so obviously wrong. Nobody wants to go back to see goals like the below being given for example. There just seems a real unwillingness to fine tune VAR to be better than is. We heard when it was implemented that VAR wouldn't referee the game but whether they give the decision or not, every time the game stops for an incident then that is exactly what they're doing. There needs to be a time limit or something for decisions they make and give the power back to referees on the pitch. It's supposed to be a safety net but it acts as the authority.

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[Cods]

Bin it off.
Just get rid.

[NickNack]

Bin it off.
Just get rid.

I was of the same opinion until I watched Villa’s game yesterday - as bad as anything I’ve ever seen. Now I don’t know what I’d prefer as much as I hate VAR, refereeing just isn’t fit for purpose

[blueToffee]

I was of the same opinion until I watched Villa’s game yesterday - as bad as anything I’ve ever seen. Now I don’t know what I’d prefer as much as I hate VAR, refereeing just isn’t fit for purpose

Feels like a real conundrum. I think speed of it really is a huge part of it. Maybe if they cap a VAR review to 10-15 seconds or something just to catch the super egregious stuff. Forget slow motion reviews, real time see it back once like we do watching TV and they have to be 100% clear it was offside or a foul or whatever. Any doubt just go with referee decision.

[Cods]

I was of the same opinion until I watched Villa’s game yesterday - as bad as anything I’ve ever seen. Now I don’t know what I’d prefer as much as I hate VAR, refereeing just isn’t fit for purpose

I guess that's on the ref/assistants though, who will now have to be held accountable for their performance.

I very much get it's a difficult job, it really is.

The standards however used to be good enough.

I'd very much prefer to return to the time where games weren't held up for minutes because we had to watch slow motion replay and analysis, and nonsensical long winded discussion about whether or not there might have been the faintest of inconsequential touches on a player moving in the box, whilst we endure/ignore ultimate tag team wrestling at every corner kick, appreciate and justify the art of diving, and other blatant inconsistencies.

It's farcical.

The pursuit of perfect really is the enemy of good enough, and we've lost sight of what the game is about.