David Moyes

[Juanito]

Bloody hell, i'm no Moyes fan - but the level of amnesia and delusion in here is off the charts.

I saw somebody saying Moyes doesn't liek attacking fullbacks the other day. Like Baines and Coleman didnt exist
Or that he doesnt trust youth. Despite giving starts to Rooney, Baxter, Vaughan, Rodwell, Barkley and Anichebe. They all got plenty of time after their debuts (Didnt he play an 18 year old Januzaj in the champs league?)

I do agree he will almost always settle for a point though haha

Sure but Bairnes and Coleman were tup there with the best in the premier league.He kept choosing to play O’Brien there, Keane at centre back and not going with Patterson, despite it working. That’s the stubbornness that deserves to be punished with the sack if he starts with that in a few weeks.

[SouthBlue]

Also Baines and Coleman both had to wait a long time on the sidelines while more 'defensive' options were used ahead of them. Luckily they had the loyalty to stick around until their time came.


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[Cods]

Also Baines and Coleman both had to wait a long time on the sidelines while more 'defensive' options were used ahead of them. Luckily they had the loyalty to stick around until their time came.


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Turned out OK for them, and us, overall though. A combined 30 seasons between them - not many fullbacks can claim that, even if Coleman's last 5 were as an OAP.

[blueToffee]

This interview popped up on YouTube for me, seems pretty happy.

[SouthBlue]

Turned out OK for them, and us, overall though. A combined 30 seasons between them - not many fullbacks can claim that, even if Coleman's last 5 were as an OAP.

Oh yeah - just hope the same approach works with Dibling and Aznou


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[Cods]

Oh yeah - just hope the same approach works with Dibling and Aznou


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Well they're certainly both young enough to go that long, and posess enough skill at a young age. Think they'll do fine.

[74Blue]

Bloody hell, i'm no Moyes fan - but the level of amnesia and delusion in here is off the charts.

I saw somebody saying Moyes doesn't liek attacking fullbacks the other day. Like Baines and Coleman didnt exist
Or that he doesnt trust youth. Despite giving starts to Rooney, Baxter, Vaughan, Rodwell, Barkley and Anichebe. They all got plenty of time after their debuts (Didnt he play an 18 year old Januzaj in the champs league?)

I do agree he will almost always settle for a point though haha

He fucked Coleman off on loan to Blackpool first though, then played him as a makeshift winger for a while before he would even consider trusting him as our regular 1st choice right back.

Baines was here for quite some time before getting his opportunity too. I remember him utilising Lescott as a left back whilst Baines sat on the bench.

Moyes will always go safety first. Many of the successes that he has had, he's stumbled upon when backs were to the wall and the squad decimated with injuries, leaving him with no other option but to put a youngun in. Accept it, Moyes is set in his ways and will always pick experience over exuberant youth until his hands are tied.

[superpull]

Or, they weren't ready when they first came in from Wigan and some Irish farmers league?

Everyone also seems to have forgotten that it normally takes players a year to settle when they're not established stars (or, well, very decent like KDH and Garner)

Look at what people are saying about Barry and Dibling this preseason. Aznou is going through the typical "not playing so better than people remember". He'd be hated if he played and made mistakes, people would be demanding Myko back.

There are many, many faults with Moyes. Protecting kids and playing them when they're ready isn't on the list

[TheRam]

I dunno.

Baines was fully ready when he came in but we did already have some good options there.

I definitely remember frustration over Coleman not playing over Hibbert and it seemed to take Martinez to get the best out of him at right back.

Same with Barkley. Picking Phil Neville in the middle of the park over him was poor.

Soon as Martinez came in Barkley looked more than ready.

He’s definitely over cautious when it comes to young, attacking like players.

He’s just a cautious manager overall and it always ends up costing him in the end.

[Cods]

He fucked Coleman off on loan to Blackpool first though, then played him as a makeshift winger for a while before he would even consider trusting him as our regular 1st choice right back.

Baines was here for quite some time before getting his opportunity too. I remember him utilising Lescott as a left back whilst Baines sat on the bench.

Moyes will always go safety first. Many of the successes that he has had, he's stumbled upon when backs were to the wall and the squad decimated with injuries, leaving him with no other option but to put a youngun in. Accept it, Moyes is set in his ways and will always pick experience over exuberant youth until his hands are tied.

The point is none of us really know what Moyes is doing behind the scenes that turns these kids with splinters, into successes.

I don't think it's just luck. (Even though Baines was an Irvine pick initially).

There's something to be said about biding ones time and to displace the incumbent you need to be faster/ stronger / aware / team focused / drilled, or whatever to make the sum of those parts more helpful to the team than the incumbent.

Not many of the Coleman's & Baines et al fall out of the team once they've displaced the likes of the Lescott's. (Lescott himself moving to his preferred position with Yobo's injury).

Moyes wants players who can stick it out and have the desire to make a position their own, doesn't award freebies instantly to the new kids on the block. Might explain how his teams have a bit more about them in graft and grit and longevity, if we perhaps couldn't afford the skill.

Those with splinters or starting out of position generally got testimonial length careers or big money moves. Without Moyes I'm not sure those outcomes happen quite the same.

[weimaranerblues]

At the Burnley V West hame game , which dross is he looking at

[Shogun]

At the Burnley V West hame game , which dross is he looking at

They've got a promising young RB at Burnley who was on Man City and Tottenham books at one point

[Kerryblueboy]

Hopefully not Kyle walker

[MayorFarnham]

Hopefully not Kyle walker

Commentator said he was looking at Kyle Walker.

[Bumble]

Wondering which one of Kyle Walker or Wan Bissaka he fancies.