Financial Fairplay Investigation - 2025 Nobody in Breach

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What is the lowest amount of points you would feel content with receiving back from the appeal?

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4-6
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53%
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25%
 
Total votes: 59

brap2
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Bluedylan1 wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:30 pm You do wonder. I just think we were in a general era of deregulation, and to some extent there was a laissez faire attitude towards it all, which arguably contributed to our disbelief when we got pulled for it when lots of clubs have been probably doing it.

It was still our fault, but clearly in some respects we've been typically unfortunate to be in the spotlight at the point that independent regs are on the horizon.

Still can't get over the fact that signing the sponsorship deal was in Moshiri's inbox and he just hadn't got round to it and if he had, we probably would've been ok and avoided all these deductions.

I still think we've been mistreated and heavily over-punished though, and no amount of revelations of our board's incompetence will convince me otherwise.
I think the thing is the prem doesn't and the clubs don't, publish the PS adjustments each club makes and is allowed.

So for a period where someone is £100m in loss, they may well get 99m adjusted off.

So they could say until now all spend has been 'good' spend. No rules broken by anyone until Everton and forest broke it 3 times in the last 3 years between them.

It's very fucking suss I don't understand it at all how in ten years nobody has been done but it is what it is
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What’s this about a sponsorship deal in moshiris inbox? Tried reading back through the thread but couldn’t find it
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https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3916735/ ... al-verdict

By Colin Chong

Like all Evertonians, I had been eagerly awaiting the outcome of our appeal against the disproportionate 10-point deduction that was handed to us back in November. On Monday, we learned of the Appeal Board’s decision, and we return to Goodison today for our fixture against West Ham with four points added back to our overall tally.

A great deal of time has passed since the decision of the first commission was handed down and that period has also led to much uncertainty. I would like to put on record my thanks to the many organised supporter groups and the wider fanbase for their passionate backing of the Club and the team during these challenging times.

I am also grateful for your patience and understanding throughout the process - and the proactive role the Fan Advisory Board played in submitting a statement to the Appeal Board which made very clear the impact on supporters.

We had no option but to appeal what we felt was an unjustified points deduction. But whilst navigating the legal process, and respecting that process in building what we felt was a compelling case for appeal, the uncertainty most definitely had an impact on everybody across the Club.

The amazing support and backing of fans for the team and the Club was crucial amid such uncertainty. Both at Goodison Park and in every game away from home, the support, backing, passion and commitment of every fan for the Club has never ceased to blow me away. It is what makes our club so special, and so admired.

Of course, Monday’s announcement was not the end of the journey. We are continuing to prepare our case against our second PSR charge for the accounting period that ended in June 2023, two weeks after my appointment as Interim CEO. As we also approach the crucial run-in to the campaign, the continued unity of fans, players and staff is imperative.

As our statement read earlier this week, we were particularly satisfied with the Appeal Board’s decision to overturn the original commission’s finding that the Club failed to act in utmost good faith. That - coupled with the inconsistency of the sanction when measured against past punishments meted out by the League and other governing bodies - was the main focus of our argument in the appeal hearing. It is also why we feel vindicated in pursuing the appeal with such rigour.

To that end, I would also like to thank our legal team and all those involved in supporting our appeal. I have seen first-hand the dedication, determination and care that has gone into presenting our case. That work is greatly appreciated and continues with equal gusto.

Premier League rules and legal guidance does not permit me, or the Club, to share any details at this stage of the second commission hearing, or the arguments that will be put forward. However, I assure you we will prepare the most robust case possible in our defence.

In the meantime, our focus on the pitch is in securing as many points as possible in our remaining 12 games.

Of course, we now know that we are 14 months away from our final fixture at our beloved Goodison Park. Every matchday at the Grand Old Lady will be savoured, in the knowledge it will be the most emotional of days when we say farewell. We have seen a very positive response to Season Ticket renewals for the 2024/25 campaign - further evidence of the sense of anticipation building for that historic campaign.

In the weeks and months ahead, we will share more of the plans and details of how we intend to mark our final season at Goodison in a truly memorable way.

And, of course, there is also excitement for the new stadium that awaits us – a stadium that is vital to a successful future. The commercial opportunities our new home will offer are huge. And, unlike Goodison, it will provide us with an arena that can host, entertain and offer experiences 365 days a year, significantly boosting our revenues in the process. We need to take advantage of the opportunities ahead with a clear vision to increase our commercial prowess at Everton Stadium.

There is a lot of work being done to ensure we maximise that opportunity - and fully prepare for the move. And the nature and scale of some of the new commercial opportunities - and how those opportunities will enhance the experience of attending Everton Stadium - is something we look forward to sharing.

It is an exciting time - and I thank our Commercial team for their hard work, diligence and creativity in developing and securing these opportunities.

We are also developing our plans for the process fans can follow to move into our new home. Thousands of Blues completed the migration survey we issued before Christmas - and hundreds have been engaged in focus groups held in recent weeks. That consultation process is ongoing and, once complete, will ensure our finalised plans are fair, clear and shaped by you. We look forward to developing that migration plan and sharing it in the first half of next season.

Thank you for your ongoing support and understanding.
brap2
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Feel for chongy, look forward to us having a proper board and executive team in place and I'm sure he does too.

Keep your head up chongster and keep that stadium coming big fella.
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Gorillabear9 wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:31 pm What’s this about a sponsorship deal in moshiris inbox? Tried reading back through the thread but couldn’t find it
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... d-28714215
brap2
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Just a conspiracy theory but I figured he was told not to sign it due to what was coming
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FFP and PSR are merely inept.ways of controlling the issue.
1 . Limit squad size.
2. Salary cap.
3 . Adopt the US system ( pay 1 player whatever the rest are limited to max wage structure)
Make this applicable to ALL teams within EUFA/ FIFA.
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Bluedylan1 wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:06 pm Also, there's absolutely no way no other club hasn't breached FFP in the last 10 years prior to us.
I mean when you look at this January's premier league transfer spend Vs other years there's no way you go from something like £600m to £6m (figures not correct) unless everyone is suddenly back peddling to avoid being caught.

So definitely agree there's probably loads who've breached and just haven't been done, or have found creative ways to disguise it.
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brap2 wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:42 pm Just a conspiracy theory but I figured he was told not to sign it due to what was coming
Doesn't have to be a conspiracy if it's the most likely reason.

The same argument can be seen through when it comes to 'oh tut tut, silly Boris' vs 'complicit, calculating and (another C word) Boris'.
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I think a very big part of it is that nobody else is buying (which was something from the past several windows). Eventually, everyone has to "sell to buy" and nobody is buying the Prem "mistakes" anymore.

PSG throttled down, after some initial silliness, the Saudis didn't make any major purchases (after they helped clear out the old and overpriced on the RS, because The Darkest Timeline), Barcelona's continued basket case finances, etc.
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Clearly the financial bubble is bursting across the board/Continent - only way out is to either bring in some form of fixed transfer fees or go down the salary cap route.

If the maximum you could pay a player was set at say 150k a week, and they would have to be a full international or have certain potential requirements then every team could pay the same and lower standard players wouldn’t be in massive money

And before anyone says that’s unfair, anti competitive etc, it’s pretty much what every other industry does in terms of wages, just it’s self enforced. No one needs to be on 10m a year (clearly) so bring in a rule whereby the next contract is subject to a maximum amount.

Would take a couple of years to wash itself out and no doubt places like Saudi or China would still pay silly money so if you were that way inclined fuck off over there.

Or have almost every club in Europe face financial ruin in the next decade
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Never going to happen, sadly.
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Dchans wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:19 am Clearly the financial bubble is bursting across the board/Continent - only way out is to either bring in some form of fixed transfer fees or go down the salary cap route.

If the maximum you could pay a player was set at say 150k a week, and they would have to be a full international or have certain potential requirements then every team could pay the same and lower standard players wouldn’t be in massive money

And before anyone says that’s unfair, anti competitive etc, it’s pretty much what every other industry does in terms of wages, just it’s self enforced. No one needs to be on 10m a year (clearly) so bring in a rule whereby the next contract is subject to a maximum amount.

Would take a couple of years to wash itself out and no doubt places like Saudi or China would still pay silly money so if you were that way inclined fuck off over there.

Or have almost every club in Europe face financial ruin in the next decade
This would just add fuel to the hasty creation of the European Super League.
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Yeah, anything we did would need to come from uefa or the PL would crumble
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Wolves escape breach despite big losses for the last two seasons.
£67.2m
£46.1m
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68456113
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