Dyche - HE'S GONE

[Gash]

Aye, Baines is a pretty bonkers shout but it's what people do when they enter "anyone would be better"mode even when there's very little to back up the argument.

It's not going to happen anyway so it's pointless going on about it though.

[Toshyboy]

He’s going to have to risk opening up to give us a better chance of scoring goals, as we’re only heading in one direction as things stand. Gomes, Patterson and Beto need to come into the team. Are they great players, no they aren’t but they can offer us more threat. We can’t just carry on with grafters or we’ll drop

[777Kidnappings]

Dyche isn't embarrassing us. That ship has already sailed. We couldn't be more embarrassed

[Sir Stealth]

Is there not an argument that if he has lost the dressing room though and the players can’t stand him and aren’t playing for him anymore that it’s more damaging to keep him?

Obviously that doesn’t reflect well on the players

And probably doesn’t change the fact that there’s no one there to actually sack him anyway!

In this mad season 2 or 3 wins in the next 9 games could keep us up - but can Dyche deliver that?

What worries me now is that it’s not like we are playing well and we are unlucky, we are almost at full strength and no one has any confidence in that team at all, we are gifting goals to the opposition right left and centre right now and hardly ever look like scoring


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[Shogun]

I 100% would rather Sean dyche managed the rest of the season than Leighton Baines.

It’s a ridiculous suggestion. There’s so much more to it than let’s make a change for the sake of it and try to get a bump.

Disagree but obviously we are miles apart in how much we rate Sean Dyche, so there's not much point in discussion.

I'm pretty confident a caretaker manager gets us more points from the next 9 matches than Dyche, it's not a ridiculous suggestion at all and has commonly been seen in the PL previously, Including with us under Unsworth and Ferguson who are both crap managers.

Dyche isn't the man. Even if he gets lucky this season then we'll be well adrift next season. There's a reason why his ilk of managers no longer exist in the Premier League.

[Cozzie]

I do feel there is a sense he's lost the dressing room.

Doesn't feel like the players are playing for him.

Not for certain, but there is an element of it.

[Gary1878]

Unless there is an immediate better option, then you can’t sack Dyche. It would be bad for the club, and why would you put yourself in a worse position.

So disappointed with the last few months. I think some of it has been grossly unlucky on us, but then again, we are playing the same old way without trying to change anything. That’s completely on Dyche.

Forget any Baines, Unsworth, Ferguson, Rooney shouts etc. They aren’t better options than Dyche.

My opinion is that we are far too close to the end of the season to change manager now. Let Dyche see out the season and we will have decisions to make anyway in the summer regardless of where we finish.

[Kerryblueboy]

Yesterday’s man

[Sir Stealth]

Also the sides that sink like a stone like we have always seem to go down , like Leeds did last year and Leicester

Wins against Burnley and Sheff U at home and Luton away will quite possibly keep us up

Have we seen enough from the last 12 games to think Dyche is capable of this?


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[MayorFarnham]

If we get in a caretaker and he keeps us up we'll throw a three year contarct at him.
Did Unsworth and Ferguson even have four games between them?
Sacking managers mid-season has led to all these poor appointments.
I've just looked at the table and it's not disastrous. With the three at the bottom I still think we have as good a chance of getting out of it with Dyche than with anyone we're going to get at this stage.
We should have had a pen at 0-0 today, not sure if VAR even looked at it.

[TheRam]

Disagree but obviously we are miles apart in how much we rate Sean Dyche, so there's not much point in discussion.

I'm pretty confident a caretaker manager gets us more points from the next 9 matches than Dyche, it's not a ridiculous suggestion at all and has commonly been seen in the PL previously, Including with us under Unsworth and Ferguson who are both crap managers.

Dyche isn't the man. Even if he gets lucky this season then we'll be well adrift next season. There's a reason why his ilk of managers no longer exist in the Premier League.

I don’t even rate dyche.

I wish people would stop with this. I just defend him because I know a lot of the problems at the club are deep rooted and the buck doesn’t stop with the manager.

I do think if you judge him overall then he has done a good job so he still has some credit in the bank for me.

To suggest sacking him and replacing him with the under 18s manager is ludicrous.

I think a lot of people are ignoring the issues in the squad and the whole malaise at the club to the point where they’re convincing themselves that sacking dyche and replacing him with anyone else will change things.

For me, sacking him doesn’t achieve anything.

All the teams that went down last season sacked their managers.

Burnley did it the season before and still went down. It’s not as a sure thing as you think it is.

In the summer if we have a takeover and can start acting like a proper football club for once then I’d make the change, but whoever comes in would still have a lot of work to do and the goal will still be keep us in the premier league until we can make effective changes to the squad.

I think that’s a long way off unfortunately so we’ll be having these discussions whoever the next guy that’s tasked with sorting the mess out is.

[777Kidnappings]

Yesterday’s man

Yesterday's club

[Gash]

Is there not an argument that if he has lost the dressing room though and the players can’t stand him and aren’t playing for him anymore that it’s more damaging to keep him?

Has that happened though? People are only suggesting this due to what happened in Portugal, even though the same Mail article said the rest of the training camp carried on in good spirits with no sign of any tensions. Many in this squad have been half arsing it for a long time and long before Dyche arrived.

It's funny though, I've been on here since 2008 and right since the first days the Mail has widely been dismissed on here for being right wing and frequently embellishing the truth to sell more papers, or if someone posts a link it usually starts with the standard NSNO disclaimer of "sorry for the source" followed by several "yeah but it's the Daily Fail" posts, yet now it tells a story that fits some agendas so suddenly the Mail is a reliable source of good honest journalism and not to be doubted or questioned and people even dismiss two other journalists who said it wasn't anything as bad as portrayed.

If he has lost the dressing room then we're in trouble but I don't think it would be getting talked about without Portugal.

[Gash]

I don’t even rate dyche.

I wish people would stop with this. I just defend him because I know a lot of the problems at the club are deep rooted and the buck doesn’t stop with the manager.

I do think if you judge him overall then he has done a good job so he still has some credit in the bank for me.

To suggest sacking him and replacing him with the under 18s manager is ludicrous.

I think a lot of people are ignoring the issues in the squad and the whole malaise at the club to the point where they’re convincing themselves that sacking dyche and replacing him with anyone else will change things.

For me, sacking him doesn’t achieve anything.

All the teams that went down last season sacked their managers.

Burnley did it the season before and still went down. It’s not as a sure thing as you think it is.

In the summer if we have a takeover and can start acting like a proper football club for once then I’d make the change, but whoever comes in would still have a lot of work to do and the goal will still be keep us in the premier league until we can make effective changes to the squad.

I think that’s a long way off unfortunately so we’ll be having these discussions whoever the next guy that’s tasked with sorting the mess out is.

I can't remember if it was this thread or another but I posted a link a while back that showed the new manager bounce is a bit of a myth, especially for teams nearer the bottom of the table so it's unlikely we'd see any kind of bounce. I think people have seen Abramovich sack managers and see a bounce but forgetting the quality that they had at their disposal.

[NickNack]

Said this before the break but I think with this bad run we’re too far gone for Dyche and co to turn it around, sometimes a change is needed.

Problem is I don’t see anyone getting enough out of this squad. Apart from what 3 players tops we’re absolute dogshit. Any professional footballer who can’t pass 5 yards to a team mate shouldn't be playing in the Premier League and we’ve got a team full of them.

The only thing keeping us up is how shit the teams below us are