Dyche - HE'S GONE

[AjaxAndy]

I think a huge danger of getting rid of Dyche is that the next person in the door has an even more thankless task.

Say we bin off Dyche in the summer, we've then got a new manager coming in whose walking in as half the team walk out the door on frees, loans ending or being sold for large sums that won't be reinvested.

So now the new manager who doesn't really understand the squad we have left has to find gems for free, on loan or for very low fees to stitch together a team.

If he then fails we're looking again for another manager who might hopefully keep us up and try stabilise us over the next year... Rinse and repeat.

Oh and you can probably add another points deduction in there too for good measure.

It's not an appealing job for a good manager, and it's such a bad set of circumstances the chances of failure are far higher than any sort of relative success.

I think as much as people don't like Dyche's tactics and style of footy there's very few managers around who are suited to this situation and he has the benefit of having been here 18 months and understands the players and what we will need to keep our heads above water again next year.

And even then his chances of 'success' which is basically survival are still fairly low, and fans will still call for his head if he achieves it.

[NickNack]

I think a huge danger of getting rid of Dyche is that the next person in the door has an even more thankless task.

Say we bin off Dyche in the summer, we've then got a new manager coming in whose walking in as half the team walk out the door on frees, loans ending or being sold for large sums that won't be reinvested.

So now the new manager who doesn't really understand the squad we have left has to find gems for free, on loan or for very low fees to stitch together a team.

If he then fails we're looking again for another manager who might hopefully keep us up and try stabilise us over the next year... Rinse and repeat.

Oh and you can probably add another points deduction in there too for good measure.

It's not an appealing job for a good manager, and it's such a bad set of circumstances the chances of failure are far higher than any sort of relative success.

I think as much as people don't like Dyche's tactics and style of footy there's very few managers around who are suited to this situation and he has the benefit of having been here 18 months and understands the players and what we will need to keep our heads above water again next year.

And even then his chances of 'success' which is basically survival are still fairly low, and fans will still call for his head if he achieves it.

This post nails it for me

[777Kidnappings]

I think a huge danger of getting rid of Dyche is that the next person in the door has an even more thankless task.

Say we bin off Dyche in the summer, we've then got a new manager coming in whose walking in as half the team walk out the door on frees, loans ending or being sold for large sums that won't be reinvested.

So now the new manager who doesn't really understand the squad we have left has to find gems for free, on loan or for very low fees to stitch together a team.

If he then fails we're looking again for another manager who might hopefully keep us up and try stabilise us over the next year... Rinse and repeat.

Oh and you can probably add another points deduction in there too for good measure.

It's not an appealing job for a good manager, and it's such a bad set of circumstances the chances of failure are far higher than any sort of relative success.

I think as much as people don't like Dyche's tactics and style of footy there's very few managers around who are suited to this situation and he has the benefit of having been here 18 months and understands the players and what we will need to keep our heads above water again next year.

And even then his chances of 'success' which is basically survival are still fairly low, and fans will still call for his head if he achieves it.

The last bit for me is it. People really need to realise where and what we are now. We are going to be battling relegation for the next few seasons and we are probably going to lose the battle eventually. Talk of progress and better football is nonsense. The progress is surviving relegation another season and improving our financial situation slightly

By all means have the debate on is dyche the best man for the job but base it on our situation rather than if we are going to able to win 50 points and play nice football next season having sold Branthwaite and onana

People have changed the rules. No chance we'd stay up last season they said unless we spent money or kept dcl fit. Neither happened and he kept us up with half the forum calling for his head when it got close.

This season dcl went 20 odd games without a goal. We are about to get our 2nd points deduction of the season. We've signed only what's available on loan and the never never and we look like we might survive again. You're gonna have to lower your expectations because everton are disappointing enough when you don't have any

[Cods]

I think as much as people don't like Dyche's tactics and style of footy there's very few managers around who are suited to this situation and he has the benefit of having been here 18 months and understands the players and what we will need to keep our heads above water again next year.

And even then his chances of 'success' which is basically survival are still fairly low, and fans will still call for his head if he achieves it.

That and he's had 7 or 8 years in the Prem already, has worked on zero and negative budgets, is used to these battles, has even taken a team to Europe. Who else available has done that, or would be willing to jump into this basket case of a club to end their career trying it?

[brap2]

I think he's had an extremely easy ride of it off the fans tbh. No wins in 13 games and barely a murmor. Silva has us in 12th and had banners and protests out side the training ground.

Fanbase knows we are where we are i truly believe that, but watching abject rubbish, not getting results and seeing the side dropping into danger in the current climate the club is in, it's going to turn a FEW against him surely.

Even with all that he's still getting a largely plain sail from the fans and media combined. Zero pressure on his job.

[Kerryblueboy]

There was a moment in the first half yesterday that summed dyche up for me tark and Jared were passing it back and forth and no midfielder came to look for the ball it went back to Pickford who lumped it up to the edge of their box Charlie Taylor headed it out for a throw to us and you could hear dyche clapping and cheering the end result it’s like rugby playing for territory and set pieces

[Bluedylan1]

Can't wait til the fella's out of here. Sooner the better hopefully.

[AjaxAndy]

I think he's had an extremely easy ride of it off the fans tbh. No wins in 13 games and barely a murmor. Silva has us in 12th and had banners and protests out side the training ground.

Fanbase knows we are where we are i truly believe that, but watching abject rubbish, not getting results and seeing the side dropping into danger in the current climate the club is in, it's going to turn a FEW against him surely.

Even with all that he's still getting a largely plain sail from the fans and media combined. Zero pressure on his job.

Silva was very much another club it feels like... I don't feel you can compare the two. We had better players, we had higher expectations and he also didn't really have any track record which made people nervous when things started to go wrong.

For what it's worth I want Silva and I backed him fully, to me he seemed like the guy who could build us into something, but ultimately he failed and was sacked as a result - rightly or wrongly because we expected more at the time.

I don't expect more from Dyche than to keep us up, so I think that's where the patience (apathy?) comes.from. if he keeps us up thins season despite a points deduction, maybe 2, and a paper thing squad he'll have achieved what I personally want. A long winless run and turgid footy won't change my thinking because the cards he's been dealt don't allow for anything else.

I'll judge him when he's had the environment to succeed and failed, not when he's had the environment to fail and achieves the relative success of keeping us up.

If we go down under him I don't see anything here that makes me think anyone else would have kept us up, we might just have been relegated playing slightly better football albeit the ceiling of better football is probably pretty low given the quality of players at a manager's disposal.

[Cods]

Firs time we've beaten the same team three times in the same season since 1995. We've just broken *another 20+ year old winning record of ours. Surely worth a new contract.

[CraigS...]

If we are going to go for new manager again then the day we get safe he has to go and the new guy comes in for the rest of the games

for me we are a season away from new manager big summer coming up

[AjaxAndy]

If we are going to go for new manager again then the day we get safe he has to go and the new guy comes in for the rest of the games

for me we are a season away from new manager big summer coming up

So basically new manager in after the last game of the season then, or maybe not at all

[brap2]

Silva was very much another club it feels like... I don't feel you can compare the two. We had better players, we had higher expectations and he also didn't really have any track record which made people nervous when things started to go wrong.

For what it's worth I want Silva and I backed him fully, to me he seemed like the guy who could build us into something, but ultimately he failed and was sacked as a result - rightly or wrongly because we expected more at the time.

I don't expect more from Dyche than to keep us up, so I think that's where the patience (apathy?) comes.from. if he keeps us up thins season despite a points deduction, maybe 2, and a paper thing squad he'll have achieved what I personally want. A long winless run and turgid footy won't change my thinking because the cards he's been dealt don't allow for anything else.

I'll judge him when he's had the environment to succeed and failed, not when he's had the environment to fail and achieves the relative success of keeping us up.

If we go down under him I don't see anything here that makes me think anyone else would have kept us up, we might just have been relegated playing slightly better football albeit the ceiling of better football is probably pretty low given the quality of players at a manager's disposal.

Yeah it was another club with another level of expectation, why those expectations have dropped and whether they were realistic themselves in the first place are other conversations, but it doesn't change that relative to other managers, and other managers in the league, he's had an extremely easy ride. That's because of the state of the club and the team, but it doesn't change the truth.

Everton football clubs manager is a very very safe seat, but that's nothing to do with how the manager is performing.

I look forward to the day we as a club can look forward, and I get the impression dyche himself sees this as a short stint, but I don't know if the summer is even the right time.

A bit of chaos-induced stability might do us some good, even if it is shite to watch and takes us nowhere but *not down*.

[AjaxAndy]

Yeah it was another club with another level of expectation, why those expectations have dropped and whether they were realistic themselves in the first place are other conversations, but it doesn't change that relative to other managers, and other managers in the league, he's had an extremely easy ride. That's because of the state of the club and the team, but it doesn't change the truth.

Everton football clubs manager is a very very safe seat, but that's nothing to do with how the manager is performing.

I look forward to the day we as a club can look forward, and I get the impression dyche himself sees this as a short stint, but I don't know if the summer is even the right time.

A bit of chaos-induced stability might do us some good, even if it is shite to watch and takes us nowhere but *not down*.

Yeah agree with all that, only part I'd maybe add a caveat to is that the Everton managers job is a very very safe seat providing they keep us out of the bottom 3.

Lampard & Benitez showed that there's a limit to how safe that seat is.

[Paddockoldie]

I'm not sure I could face another season of his football. It crushes your hopes and leaves you frustrated. That's before his team selection and refusal to accept he needs to adapt

[bigtonyblue]

I'm not sure I could face another season of his football. It crushes your hopes and leaves you frustrated. That's before his team selection and refusal to accept he needs to adapt

was going fine until middle of December until a few key injuries, shite finishing and lack of confidence done us in

we still created lots of chances to win games

he's a steady hand and if we do survive he deserves another season once all this points deduction crap is over and the ownership issues are sorted out