Paddockoldie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:11 am
I'd want that with add ons
Not sure the add ons on a 75m deal with utd would be worth very much. They probably aren't going to win leagues or champions leagues. They don't look to sell their best players and he's already an expensive signing.
5m for the league, 5m for the champions league and 20% percent of any profit is probably worth less than just an extra 5m on the purchase price really
It’s a real shame we’re in such a bad position and can’t keep him but at 75m we have to sell. Even if we had a decent and competitive team with ok finances we’d still have had to make this deal. The main thing is we can’t sign off the deal until we have a replacement sorted and I have absolute faith that Dyche and co can find someone of similar quality. If we can sell him, or any player for that matter, and replace for half the money then that’s how we have to operate, how a good business operates.
I’d also say that even if he does look like he’ll go to the top of the game there’s still every chance he turns out ok or even rubbish. We’ve had players before who had a great season and looked like they’d keep improving but turned out to be shite. United are paying 75m because they have to take the risk in order to challenge at the top like they did with Maguire and look how that turned out. It’s very different playing for an expansive side looking to dominate games compared to low block fc so I fully expect him to make mistakes (a big reason he hasn’t gone the euros) and it really depends how he responds to those set backs
Shogun wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:16 pm
If we don't need to sell then we shouldn't. Unless he's stricken with a terrible injury then he'll still be worth £75m next summer.
I think we need to sell tbh, I'd imagine we will struggle to spend money even if we sell both Branthwaite and Onana, so not selling Jarrod would mean we couldn't strengthen in any even vaguely meaningful way.
Might be a controversial take on things, but as much as I rate him, Branthwaite is only a 'good' premier league defender. He has potential to be incredible but you could replace him well with £20m for what he currently is. We aren't in a position to be holding on to a player worth that much who can be replaced reasonably cheaply.
That's not meant in any way as criticism of the lad, it's just the reality of where we are as a club, and the level he's currently playing at which is good but not £75m good.
Shogun wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:16 pm
If we don't need to sell then we shouldn't. Unless he's stricken with a terrible injury then he'll still be worth £75m next summer.
We do need to sell if we want to sign players. We found the last Branthwaite so now we sell buy the next 1 a right back and bank some profit.
I don't really see player sales with big fees associated as a negative in all honesty. It's one of our ways out of trouble.
Of course in an ideal world you'd like to keep players, and get other good players and build something serious to compete near the top end of the league, but we're just not at that stage now. We were at that stage with the Stones-Barkley-Lukaku-Deulofeu axis of joy, and we've regressed a number of steps.
We're at the stage where selling players we've bought cheaply for massive sums is a huge positive, and creates lots of opportunities to improve the team and to buy more players who can increase in value in the future and hopefully turn it into a virtuous circle.
The 1 thing dyche has been great at is finding and developing centre halves. Every faith that he can get us a centre back and a right back for less than half we get for Branthwaite and we'll still have a very good defence next season
Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:06 pm
I don't really see player sales with big fees associated as a negative in all honesty. It's one of our ways out of trouble.
Of course in an ideal world you'd like to keep players, and get other good players and build something serious to compete near the top end of the league, but we're just not at that stage now. We were at that stage with the Stones-Barkley-Lukaku-Deulofeu axis of joy, and we've regressed a number of steps.
We're at the stage where selling players we've bought cheaply for massive sums is a huge positive, and creates lots of opportunities to improve the team and to buy more players who can increase in value in the future and hopefully turn it into a virtuous circle.
Man, if we’d had that young spine with a better manager, eh
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:27 pm
I think we need to sell tbh, I'd imagine we will struggle to spend money even if we sell both Branthwaite and Onana, so not selling Jarrod would mean we couldn't strengthen in any even vaguely meaningful way.
Might be a controversial take on things, but as much as I rate him, Branthwaite is only a 'good' premier league defender. He has potential to be incredible but you could replace him well with £20m for what he currently is. We aren't in a position to be holding on to a player worth that much who can be replaced reasonably cheaply.
That's not meant in any way as criticism of the lad, it's just the reality of where we are as a club, and the level he's currently playing at which is good but not £75m good.
Replace a young, fast, powerful, left-footed, 6ft5in centre-half who reads the game well, can pick a pass, and is good in the air, for £20m?
sam of the south wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:01 pm
Replace a young, fast, powerful, left-footed, 6ft5in centre-half who reads the game well, can pick a pass, and is good in the air, for £20m?
Yes, Branthwaite is a good premier league CB at present in a system designed to be very defensively solid and well structured.
We can replace that fairly easily for £20m.
We can't probably replace his high potential, but we can replace what he currently brings.
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 5:11 pm
Yes, Branthwaite is a good premier league CB at present in a system designed to be very defensively solid and well structured.
We can replace that fairly easily for £20m.
We can't probably replace his high potential, but we can replace what he currently brings.
I admire your optimism here, Andy.
Not only in believing that £20m replaces his current quality, but also in believing that we will have £20m to spend on a player.
