Financial Fairplay Investigation - 2025 Nobody in Breach

[blueToffee]

Yeah, they didn't show anything did they on the TV about it? Not that I saw at least but I did miss a few mins of it.

I wonder how out of their way they'll go to hide the stuff tomorrow.

[blueToffee]

Is it...is it actually corrupt? Like what is corrupt about it? We've lied more than any other party here!

Maybe some corruption if we're looking at Newcastle's takeover, but blatant favouritism is a tougher one to fit on a card.

I suppose corruption doesn't have to mean money has changed hands or anything, can just mean a broader corruption (involving cronyism and the like) of a level playing field for teams in the PL.

[AjaxAndy]

Is it...is it actually corrupt? Like what is corrupt about it? We've lied more than any other party here!

Yeah I've been wondering about that too... I guess it's because of the severity of the punishment and the fact Man City despite being charged ages ago haven't been punished yet.

There's also the fact they tried to rush it through last season to ensure we got relegated.

I wouldn't say any of that was corrupt though, just inept and desperate to make a statement by punishing us severely.

[Bluedylan1]

It's soft corruption. There's loads of different kinds of corruption.

[blueToffee]

It's soft corruption. There's loads of different kinds of corruption.

Yeah, this.

I don't think there is any real need to try and be too overanalyse fan actions at this stage. The intent behind it is what matters, rolling over on the issue would be far worse.

Besides, I think there is enough around this case to say there is cronyism, conflict of interest (favouring bigger teams to maintain the "product" for TV rights), etc to allege a type of corruption.

[74Blue]

Is it...is it actually corrupt? Like what is corrupt about it? We've lied more than any other party here!

Yes, of course it's corrupt.

The Premier League, just like any other football league, is supposed to be a level playing field. When you see, time after time, certain teams being treated entirely differently from the reat of the league, then that is corruption.

Can you even begin to imagine the reaction if one of the big six had just received the biggest ever points deduction in the history of the league over a measly £20m, that they admitted to?
The fact is, in this multi-billion pound business, £20m barely even scratches the surface. What does it get you in the current market? Maybe a mid-table Championship player. It most certainly does not buy you a world class gamechanger.

In any case, we broke the rules and we did hold our hands up to it, so we do deserve some form of sanction. A 10 point deduction, which is an even greater penalty than that handed out for a club going bust, is in anybody's book excessive.

When you see teams spending a billion pounds in 18 months, yes Chelsea, we're talking about you. When you see teams digging their heels in and dragging out 115 charges, yes Man City, we're talking about you. When you see six teams threatening to break away and join a European Super League, welcomed back into the boys club with just a little slap on the wrist, does a 10 point deduction not sting just that little bit more.

It's not just Everton Football Club that this corruption adversely affects. It's every other club outside of the Golden 6, who are unable to compete on a level playing field, for fear of incurring whatever penalty the Premier League top brass deem appropriate at that time. Noted with great interest was the revelation that the 10 point dedeuction was a punishment engineered specifically for Everton's case. In what way exactly is that a level.playing field?

The Premier League seem determined to destroy Everton Football Club. Whether that is because we've possibly pissed someone off in the past or whether it's politically motivated because of Moshiri and his inextricable links to Alisher Usmanov is not entirely clear. What is eminently clear though, is that the shysters who govern the Premier League will not rest until Everton Football Club is completely destroyed and consigned to the history books forever. We as fans cannot allow this to happen and have to stand up and be counted!

Fucking Roy Keane, the bellend, Eveton should just take their medicine. Would he say the same if the Premier League decided that Manchester United running on a bed of massive debt for the last god knows how many years was a breach of their rules and placed them into the bottom three. Would he bollocks! He'd be stood on the rooftops screaming at the injustice of it all. Fucking Carragher can fucking button it as well, the crying kopite cunt!

It doesn't matter what way anybody tries to dress it up, it is corruption, plain and simple.

[TheRam]

Not declaring who’s actually funding the club.

Cooking the books with covid loses.

Trying to blag a massive sponsorship deal.

We’re as corrupt as anyone. Have been since this idiot took us over.

We’ve been a criminal enterprise for the last seven years. Oligarchs wrote the book on corruption.

[Shogun]

Both things can be true. The people who put us in this position aren't part of the club anymore. Except Mosh who will be selling us off to 777's mess soon enough anyway.

[Cozzie]

Unless I've missed it, has there been a date set for when the appeal will be heard?

[Bluedylan1]

Yeah we definitely have been dodgy, certainly in terms of where our money has come from and how that money was amassed. I would argue that almost any billionaire is doing something basically immoral to attain that kind of wealth, and there's obviously different degrees to that.

In terms of things like exaggerating sponsorships, we've done nothing that a number of other clubs haven't done and I don't think that is immoral or corrupt. FFP is a racket that doesn't allow you to invest and compete fully with the entrenched rich clubs. It's anti-competitive. So you're kinda forced to find creative methods to work around that heavily stacked system. I don't see a single thing wrong with that. The FFP racket is the problem there.

So while we have been somewhat dodgy in the source of our money, I think it's entirely fair to say that the Prem is governed by a cabal of powerful clubs who act only in self-interest, and their ideal scenario would be to end any serious competition outside of that power base, which has manifested in many forms of soft corruption and culminated in them actually trying to join a break away league, end the football pyramid as a concept and forever enshrine themselves as the overlords. And if there hadn't been mass outrage and demonstration by fans, they would've done exactly that.

So yeah, 10 points for being £20m over on a stadium payment of an entirely made up arbitrary, anti-competitive limit is still an absolute piss-take and outrage.

[sam of the south]

It's soft corruption. There's loads of different kinds of corruption.

Yeah, there’s degrees of it, like there is with many things.

Hey, BD, hope you’re well, my man x

[Bluedylan1]

It's soft corruption. There's loads of different kinds of corruption.

Yeah, there’s degrees of it, like there is with many things.

Hey, BD, hope you’re well, my man x

Hey mate. Yeah decent. Hope you are well too x

[4evablu]

APOLOGIES FOR RAMBLING ON HERE - but a couple of glasses of wine too many
Just got home from a game I was at with a close friend of mine. This person was CEO of the chamber of commerce for 12 years then moved up to president for 4 years has an OBE for his work with enterprise and business.
Our conversion inevitably turned to Everton and the points deduction. Our discussion started around when is it an offence for a business not to make a profit - Answer: it isn’t. The next point was when is it a offence for a business to run at a loss? Answer: it isn’t.
We couldn’t think of another business sector that dictates to its customer base they must operate within the confines of an arbitrary amount defined by them. Businesses can and do operate at loss as they work their cash flow to within a reasonable loss based on their turnover ie: they never operate at such a loss that decimates the due income source to a point they’re out of business.
Eg: when I first started my business I ran at a loss for 18 months to 2 years. I managed the cash flow at a rate that I was never actually “in debt” I never took an income out of the business which aided the cash flow but ensured staff creditors were always paid. In years 2-5 as the business grew yes we made small profits that were ploughed back into the development of staff and business. This then raises the sustainability question. How long could we have done that and sustained the business. Well we did for 10 years.
WHATS ALL THIS GOT TO DO WITH EVERTON ?
Everton started in business in 1878 -145 years ago. We’ve survived through famines, poverty, economic crisis, 2 world wars, more economic crashes,world cash markets financial meltdowns, 2 relegations, European bans, mid table mediocrity for many years, relegation battles world health crisis more owner changes than we care to remember and yet are still operating.
So who are the premier league to even suggest that they can penalise a business under profit and sustainability “rules” ? Everton are still a trading company whether profitable or not is somewhat irrelevant so how do they know we may not be sustainable for the next 145 years!
How can they call it Financial Fair Play when the structure of the rule benefits only the bigger clubs/ businesses ? what’s financially fair about it ? When they pay a reward system to the successful clubs which in itself the very nature of it penalises the less successful clubs.
Why call it PROFIT AND SUSTAINABILITY when a business can operate without a profit and still be sustainable yet they can decide you’ve broken the rules WHAT BUSINESS RULES ARE BROKEN? Only arbitrary made up rules from an organisation which in itself is constantly slated for its greed and poor management.
We constantly sing on the terraces” AND IF YE KNOW YE HISTORY”
They should look at that history and ask themselves how we are not a sustainable business
RANT OVER - see you at the game tomorrow.

[AjaxAndy]

APOLOGIES FOR RAMBLING ON HERE - but a couple of glasses of wine too many
Just got home from a game I was at with a close friend of mine. This person was CEO of the chamber of commerce for 12 years then moved up to president for 4 years has an OBE for his work with enterprise and business.
Our conversion inevitably turned to Everton and the points deduction. Our discussion started around when is it an offence for a business not to make a profit - Answer: it isn’t. The next point was when is it a offence for a business to run at a loss? Answer: it isn’t.
We couldn’t think of another business sector that dictates to its customer base they must operate within the confines of an arbitrary amount defined by them. Businesses can and do operate at loss as they work their cash flow to within a reasonable loss based on their turnover ie: they never operate at such a loss that decimates the due income source to a point they’re out of business.
Eg: when I first started my business I ran at a loss for 18 months to 2 years. I managed the cash flow at a rate that I was never actually “in debt” I never took an income out of the business which aided the cash flow but ensured staff creditors were always paid. In years 2-5 as the business grew yes we made small profits that were ploughed back into the development of staff and business. This then raises the sustainability question. How long could we have done that and sustained the business. Well we did for 10 years.
WHATS ALL THIS GOT TO DO WITH EVERTON ?
Everton started in business in 1878 -145 years ago. We’ve survived through famines, poverty, economic crisis, 2 world wars, more economic crashes,world cash markets financial meltdowns, 2 relegations, European bans, mid table mediocrity for many years, relegation battles world health crisis more owner changes than we care to remember and yet are still operating.
So who are the premier league to even suggest that they can penalise a business under profit and sustainability “rules” ? Everton are still a trading company whether profitable or not is somewhat irrelevant so how do they know we may not be sustainable for the next 145 years!
How can they call it Financial Fair Play when the structure of the rule benefits only the bigger clubs/ businesses ? what’s financially fair about it ? When they pay a reward system to the successful clubs which in itself the very nature of it penalises the less successful clubs.
Why call it PROFIT AND SUSTAINABILITY when a business can operate without a profit and still be sustainable yet they can decide you’ve broken the rules WHAT BUSINESS RULES ARE BROKEN? Only arbitrary made up rules from an organisation which in itself is constantly slated for its greed and poor management.
We constantly sing on the terraces” AND IF YE KNOW YE HISTORY”
They should look at that history and ask themselves how we are not a sustainable business
RANT OVER - see you at the game tomorrow.

It comes down to the rules applied to qualify for their competition though.

Absolutely no reason why we can't run at a major loss as a company, but there's no requirement for the Premier League to allow us in to the competition.

Take away that right to play in their competition and you take away all our income meaning we cease to be viable as a business.

So really you're stuck having to abide by the rules because there is no viable alternative.

Obviously a super league would change all that, but we wouldn't be eligible for it and we'd still have their set of rules to follow should we be so.

[sam of the south]

It's soft corruption. There's loads of different kinds of corruption.

Yeah, there’s degrees of it, like there is with many things.

Hey, BD, hope you’re well, my man x

Hey mate. Yeah decent. Hope you are well too x

Glad to hear it, bro.

Yeah, I’m cool, (apart from Everton, and feeling like the world is burning around me) life is kinda sweet x