Beto

[Bornblue88]

I think Beto is just a different player to DCL, and we just need to understand them differently as players.

I think we have these templates in our heads as to what players ''should be'' based on their appearance, and they don't always match.

Despite appearances, Beto has more in common with Michael Owen than he does DCL. He wants to play on the shoulder and run in behind to through balls. But because he's tall and broad shouldered we sort of want to see him as a Drogba-like battering ram, and he's just not that.

Also, at Everton we have this tradition of big powerful strikers, with towering headers and it very much informs our idea of what a striker ''should be'' a lot of the time.

We're going to be continually frustrated with Beto as a fanbase if we continue to use him like DCL, chasing lost causes and pounding long aerial balls into him. If the manager wants to use his abilities, he needs to find ways of playing accessing through balls for him to run in behind defences, whether through on goal, or wider into the channels. And if Dyche is not going to be able to do that, then we've bought the wrong profile of player for our setup.

Exactly like Lukaku in terms of playing style and his hold up play was terrible for us

[Kerryblueboy]

Beto is nowhere near lukaku ffs his first touch is a foul

[Bornblue88]

Beto is nowhere near lukaku ffs his first touch is a foul

Who? Beto or Lukaku

[Bluebridge]

I honestly believe, by hook or by crook ,if he got DCL’s minutes last season there would be more goals.
The lad needs a run of games and with decent service.

[Kerryblueboy]

Who? Beto or Lukaku

Lukaku was our best premier league striker had power pace and good finishing Beto has a long way to go to be even mentioned in the same sentence as him

[AjaxAndy]

I honestly believe, by hook or by crook ,if he got DCL’s minutes last season there would be more goals.
The lad needs a run of games and with decent service.

As has been said before though, scoring the same or slightly more goals than DCL wouldn't make up for the deficiencies he has that would have a massive negative effect on the overall effectiveness of the team.

We'd need.to change our style of play completely and he'd need to bag 15 goals minimum for it to be a change for the better, and both of those things are as unlikely to happen as each other.

[Bornblue88]

Lukaku was our best premier league striker had power pace and good finishing Beto has a long way to go to be even mentioned in the same sentence as him

I meant in terms of playing style and hold up play. Calm down

[Bob Sacamano]

As has been said before though, scoring the same or slightly more goals than DCL wouldn't make up for the deficiencies he has that would have a massive negative effect on the overall effectiveness of the team.

We'd need.to change our style of play completely and he'd need to bag 15 goals minimum for it to be a change for the better, and both of those things are as unlikely to happen as each other.

Can you explain why he’d need 15 goals minimum for it to be worthwhile him starting? I’m not even debating it I’m just very curious how this makes sense? It’s only really Douc that scored outside of DCL so it’s not like we’d be sacrificing 20-30 goals from midfield by playing Beto.

[brap2]

I think he'd score more goals with more minutes, he deffo causes a bit of trouble in the box and his nose is good for a chance I think.

He's also a really good dribbler for some reason.

But his first touch and hold up and passing and stuff is absolutely dreadful. Maybe he can just be like haaland and be there to bury chances and muscle people over 10 yards but otherwise not touch the ball?

[Bob Sacamano]

I think he'd score more goals with more minutes, he deffo causes a bit of trouble in the box and his nose is good for a chance I think.

He's also a really good dribbler for some reason.

But his first touch and hold up and passing and stuff is absolutely dreadful. Maybe he can just be like haaland and be there to bury chances and muscle people over 10 yards but otherwise not touch the ball?

He’s a menace. He’d bounce six in by accident while looking at his feet wondering which one is the left one and if that means that the other one the right one.

[brap2]

He’s a menace. He’d bounce six in by accident while looking at his feet wondering which one is the left one and if that means that the other one the right one.

On closer inspection, these are loafers.

[AjaxAndy]

Can you explain why he’d need 15 goals minimum for it to be worthwhile him starting? I’m not even debating it I’m just very curious how this makes sense? It’s only really Douc that scored outside of DCL so it’s not like we’d be sacrificing 20-30 goals from midfield by playing Beto.

Because we'd concede a lot more goals by virtue of the ball not sticking once it got up to him, and his touch, workrate off the ball and passing to team mates is so incredibly poor we'd spend a lot of time with the ball just coming straight back at our defence and midfield all camped on the edge of our area.

[Bob Sacamano]

Because we'd concede a lot more goals by virtue of the ball not sticking once it got up to him, and his touch, workrate off the ball and passing to team mates is so incredibly poor we'd spend a lot of time with the ball just coming straight back at our defence and midfield all camped on the edge of our area.

But you said we’d need to change our style and he’d need to score 15 minimum. I feel like you’re describing how we play with DCL.

[Bob Sacamano]

What have I done.

My sincerest apologies

[AjaxAndy]

But you said we’d need to change our style and he’d need to score 15 minimum. I feel like you’re describing how we play with DCL.

Haha yeah, I'm not sure how that would look in all honesty but it'd involve sacrificing some defensive solidity and so he'd still need to score more to compensate for that.

But yeah I did describe how we'd play with him in the current setup / style in all fairness, I just can't see what that different style would look like under Dyche with these players at his disposal. I'm not convinced there is one that works.