Dyche - HE'S GONE

[Kerryblueboy]

I agree he had credit in the bank absolutely he did but he has thrown some of it away with his selections as an example my mate went to the Brighton game said that the atmosphere in the bar he was in near goodison was all very positive talking about a mid table finish no relegation worries this season then the team news came and the atmosphere changed they couldn’t understand why Keane in particular was playing dyche shouldn’t have started the season with him regardless of how he has played

[AjaxAndy]

I agree he had credit in the bank absolutely he did but he has thrown some of it away with his selections as an example my mate went to the Brighton game said that the atmosphere in the bar he was in near goodison was all very positive talking about a mid table finish no relegation worries this season then the team news came and the atmosphere changed they couldn’t understand why Keane in particular was playing dyche shouldn’t have started the season with him regardless of how he has played

That in itself just goes to show how deluded some of our fans are though, rather than playing Keane as being the issue.

[777Kidnappings]

I agree he had credit in the bank absolutely he did but he has thrown some of it away with his selections as an example my mate went to the Brighton game said that the atmosphere in the bar he was in near goodison was all very positive talking about a mid table finish no relegation worries this season then the team news came and the atmosphere changed they couldn’t understand why Keane in particular was playing dyche shouldn’t have started the season with him regardless of how he has played

It's 2 games though. Pickford has been shite. Why isn't he getting lynched. It's because he genuinely does have credit in the bank. Dyche doesn't really. He's not accepted here and never will be. The reaction has been as if he got us relegated last season, survived and started the championship season with 2 losses

For me we are a miserable, desperate, angry fanbase and blowing up at the wrong people. If dyche was been awful It's still only 2 games. If he's shite for 20 and removed he's still been a huge part of us staying up the last 2 years. The anger and hate for him is really odd

Same with Keane and Holgate. Under what dof were these 2s contracts renewed. Who signed maupay. The people responsible for the decisions that have left us here are almost all treated better than the people here now we've hit the bottom.

Dyche gets 2 games with credit in the bank. Lampard got how many?? Kenwright got how many years??

[Mouse]

I agree he had credit in the bank absolutely he did but he has thrown some of it away with his selections as an example my mate went to the Brighton game said that the atmosphere in the bar he was in near goodison was all very positive talking about a mid table finish no relegation worries this season then the team news came and the atmosphere changed they couldn’t understand why Keane in particular was playing dyche shouldn’t have started the season with him regardless of how he has played

I'm a little lost by this one, is the argument that we want our manager to pick the team based on fan opinion and PR? Confession, I haven't been able to bring myself to watch highlights yet but, by all accounts, Keane has been one of our better players. He shouldn't be picked because some fans don't like him?

We are so knee-jerk at the moment. Give it until the end of September before we start to panic. The root cause of where we are, who our manager is and the limited resources he (or any manager you choose to replace him) has to draw on is 10+ years of mismangement in our board room. As for the meltdown at Euston, let's not over-play that either. It is one or two idiots, not the fan base.

[Bluedylan1]

Even if you're right and dyche has been awful these 2 whole games shouldn't there be some credit in the bank after the last 2 seasons

The simple fact is dyche will never be accepted here because it will never be accepted by our fans just where this club stands

This is a misrepresentation of what is happening. Just to clarify I'm not accusing you of being deliberately disingenuous. I just think you're mistaken.

There's maybe like 4/5 people on here who are regularly critical of Dyche, of which I am one and the rest either seem neutral or pro-Dyche to varying degrees. So the critical people are fairly significantly in the minority.

Even amongst the anti-Dyche group, I don't think one of us has said that he should be sacked now. People have acknowledged that it would be crazy to appoint a new manager in the situation we're in, and that Dyche is well equipped for a firefighting situation with limited resources. So even the most critical people absolutely accept that he should be here as manager at the moment, and we should re-evaluate when we have new ownership/next season. He does have credit in the bank. That is his credit in the bank, that even his most ardent critics accept he should still be here.

There is no witchhunt against Dyche or lack of acceptance about where we are as a club. Those things aren't happening. We've all put up with multiple relegation threatened seasons, we've had threats to our continued existence as a club, we've had some of the worst, most regressive football you could ever hope to see at this level under people like Allardyce, Benitez and at times under Dyche. We've had our best players repeatedly sold. We've had points deductions. We all know we are in the shit and have been for some time. Even the most optimistic of us are well aware of our reality.

Sure you might get a few randoms who talk about fighting for European places at the start of a season, get carried away with themselves, or prefer to live in a world of denial and delusion. But that is a very small minority of people and is not reflective of the majority viewpoint whatsoever, even amongst those who aren't fond of Dyche and you really need to stop saying that it is, because it's the strawiest of straw man arguments.

When you regurgitate these talking points that our fanbase is deluded, we all expect European places and Dyche is dealing with wildly unfair expectations, you are playing into the narratives that Dyche/Allardyce/Benitez rely on to keep expectations spectacularly low and paint themselves as heroes that our ungrateful fans (who sell out home and away all over the country, despite all the shit we've suffered) don't deserve. It's an absolute nonsense.

It's perfectly legitimate to say that we're in a terrible position as a club, and that Dyche is doing a good job under very difficult circumstances, but that you're also not remotely into what he does as a manager and you look forward to the day when you can go in a different direction. It's perfectly legitimate to criticise the obvious mistakes he makes in not integrating new players sooner or for losing the opening 2 games 3-0 and 4-0. You can think and feel multiple conflicting things at the same time. It's usually much closer to the truth than being wildly anti-Dyche or in defending anything and everything that he does.

[Kerryblueboy]

I'm a little lost by this one, is the argument that we want our manager to pick the team based on fan opinion and PR? Confession, I haven't been able to bring myself to watch highlights yet but, by all accounts, Keane has been one of our better players. He shouldn't be picked because some fans don't like him?

We are so knee-jerk at the moment. Give it until the end of September before we start to panic. The root cause of where we are, who our manager is and the limited resources he (or any manager you choose to replace him) has to draw on is 10+ years of mismangement in our board room. As for the meltdown at Euston, let's not over-play that either. It is one or two idiots, not the fan base.

Listen man I want the best team on the pitch but Keane is synonymous with the shite that has gone on for years here should have been out the door years ago o Brien did well pre season scored in one game why not start him he is left footed good balance alongside tark it might have made no difference but at least it would have been something different

[Mouse]

Listen man I want the best team on the pitch but Keane is synonymous with the shite that has gone on for years here should have been out the door years ago o Brien did well pre season scored in one game why not start him he is left footed good balance alongside tark it might have made no difference but at least it would have been something different

I get the argument to play O'Brien but I don't understand the rationale that becasue "we" don't like Keane Dyche shouldn't play him and that means he deserves to lose credit. I want to see him in the team and see him develop his international career but I'm not seeing O'Brien in training, maybe he's a game or two away from being ready? I'm not sure if I remember correctly but didn''t Dyhce delay playing Branthwaite for a couple of games until he was ready?

[TheRam]

The inclusion of Micheal Keane had no impact on the atmosphere.

It’s just a blatant lie. You can all see for yourselves how we started the game and how the crowd was up for it.

It turned when we gifted them a second goal and had a man sent off.

[Kerryblueboy]

The inclusion of Micheal Keane had no impact on the atmosphere.

It’s just a blatant lie. You can all see for yourselves how we started the game and how the crowd was up for it.

It turned when we gifted them a second goal and had a man sent off.

Take a look online literally every second fan is saying the same thing and lots of pundits as well it has been in the media and papers over here how we spent what little money we had and aren’t playing the players we bought

[Raptor]

I'm not sure if I remember correctly but didn''t Dyhce delay playing Branthwaite for a couple of games until he was ready?

He sure did, he played Keane instead and we lost every game....

[TheRam]

Take a look online literally every second fan is saying the same thing and lots of pundits as well it has been in the media and papers over here how we spent what little money we had and aren’t playing the players we bought

What? Loads of people are saying playing Keane changed the atmosphere?

Well, it didn’t.

[Audrey Horne]

I think it's totally OK to look at what we have been through as fans during the last 20 years or whatever and acknowledge how bad we've had it.

I think our past success is definitely a reason for us to be so down about recent times.

We have been mismanaged so much basically from existence tbh.... we should have paid a few quid more of the rent at Anfield etc

Of course aggression towards players when they are getting on the train is too far. Alot of that is alcohol and stuff. There's no need

But I think it's understandable how the fans feel.

Plus having our main rivals win everything under the sun multiple times ..... it's fucking heartbreaking

I don't like Dyche I don't like his arrogance or the way he is mega defensive- shite tactics blah blah

We have some decent players and a young manager coming through would do better I'm sure.

But hey, Dyche isn't going anywhere so I'm just getting on with it.

[Mouse]

He sure did, he played Keane instead and we lost every game....

And Branthwaite appeared to benefit for the timing.

[777Kidnappings]

This is a misrepresentation of what is happening. Just to clarify I'm not accusing you of being deliberately disingenuous. I just think you're mistaken.

There's maybe like 4/5 people on here who are regularly critical of Dyche, of which I am one and the rest either seem neutral or pro-Dyche to varying degrees. So the critical people are fairly significantly in the minority.

Even amongst the anti-Dyche group, I don't think one of us has said that he should be sacked now. People have acknowledged that it would be crazy to appoint a new manager in the situation we're in, and that Dyche is well equipped for a firefighting situation with limited resources. So even the most critical people absolutely accept that he should be here as manager at the moment, and we should re-evaluate when we have new ownership/next season. He does have credit in the bank. That is his credit in the bank, that even his most ardent critics accept he should still be here.

There is no witchhunt against Dyche or lack of acceptance about where we are as a club. Those things aren't happening. We've all put up with multiple relegation threatened seasons, we've had threats to our continued existence as a club, we've had some of the worst, most regressive football you could ever hope to see at this level under people like Allardyce, Benitez and at times under Dyche. We've had our best players repeatedly sold. We've had points deductions. We all know we are in the shit and have been for some time. Even the most optimistic of us are well aware of our reality.

Sure you might get a few randoms who talk about fighting for European places at the start of a season, get carried away with themselves, or prefer to live in a world of denial and delusion. But that is a very small minority of people and is not reflective of the majority viewpoint whatsoever, even amongst those who aren't fond of Dyche and you really need to stop saying that it is, because it's the strawiest of straw man arguments.

When you regurgitate these talking points that our fanbase is deluded, we all expect European places and Dyche is dealing with wildly unfair expectations, you are playing into the narratives that Dyche/Allardyce/Benitez rely on to keep expectations spectacularly low and paint themselves as heroes that our ungrateful fans (who sell out home and away all over the country, despite all the shit we've suffered) don't deserve. It's an absolute nonsense.

It's perfectly legitimate to say that we're in a terrible position as a club, and that Dyche is doing a good job under very difficult circumstances, but that you're also not remotely into what he does as a manager and you look forward to the day when you can go in a different direction. It's perfectly legitimate to criticise the obvious mistakes he makes in not integrating new players sooner or for losing the opening 2 games 3-0 and 4-0. You can think and feel multiple conflicting things at the same time. It's usually much closer to the truth than being wildly anti-Dyche or in defending anything and everything that he does.

Think it's perfectly fair to say I can't wait/hope there comes a time when we can do better be that players managers coaches whatever .

I'm not suggesting our fans think we should be in Europe. I do think they feel we shouldn't be in any real danger of relegation (me included) despite being in danger 3 or 4 seasons running and cutting costs while everyone else invests. I'm not sure dyche or even benitez are/was telling us lies to try and lower expectations to an unrealistic low. I think they were trying to lower them to the realistic level (which benitez still obviously fell well short of)

I don't think there's a witch-hunt against dyche but I do feel a lot think we could do better. If we could afford to sack him, if we had competent recruitment etc. So he should stay by default not because he's done a great job overall for 2 years and is still the best man to do the current shitty job. People absolutely do think and say dyche is lucky to be here. Why?? No money, no leadership, not a great team. He'll never manage a bigger club they say but we are only big historically and that hinders him much more than benefits him.


Regardless of how this season ends up. Regardless of if dyche turns out to be crap. His work has still kept us up 2 years running when the club has been at its absolute lowerest. He does not get the respect he deserves. The manager everyone preferred wanted 6 months managing the youth team while we got relegated

I too can't wait till we are run like Brighton. Right now though it feels like the championship and administration is nearer

[Raptor]

And Branthwaite appeared to benefit for the timing.

But thats just opinion, based on how he performed throughout the season I think its a a pretty easy argument to say he should've been put in from the off and who knows, maybe we would've won a fair few of those games rather than lose, then the whole team would have been more positive and upbeat?