Ashley "not so" Young

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AjaxAndy
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Bluedylan1 wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:53 am Has there been a post mentioning Dyche in the past year that @AjaxAndy or @777Kidnappings or both hasn't replied to in some defensive, pro-Dyche way?

I can absolutely admire a staunch defence of a position, but come on lads. If this was another walk of life, I would swear you were both on somebody's payroll.
I think it's funny you seem to want to make silly remarks about payroll. You can write eruditely about politics and other intellectual subjects, but your only response to people with a different opinion to you is juvenile which doesn't make much sense.

Also replying to dumb shit like Hoddle apparently talking about Dyche but disguising it as managers from 30 years ago is totally fine, let's not respond challenging that... It's clear what Hoddle was really on about 🤨

Or saying we played so much better last season when literally everyone lost their shit about us being horrific for 3 months last season, to the point it was still being talked about after this season had kicked off... but best not mention that because it's clear WE are the ones with the agenda 🤣

I've even said multiple times Fulham wasn't good enough, happy to get rid of Dyche in the summer. I might argue very one sided viewpoints but to say mine is one sided isn't even correct.

But you know, write some well written insights in the general chat section and leave your clever cap at the door in this one by all means.
AjaxAndy
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Tbf I've gone in a bit hard there, somewhere along the lines of Keane on Haaland senior, I had a point I wanted to make but it ended up pretty OTT.

I think me and @777Kidnappings are fighting the good fight not because of excessive pro Dyche sentiments, but because we see opinions that seem very one sided or exclude important factors. Doesn't excuse me being a rude bastard though.
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AjaxAndy wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:47 pm Tbf I've gone in a bit hard there, somewhere along the lines of Keane on Haaland senior, I had a point I wanted to make but it ended up pretty OTT.

I think me and @777Kidnappings are fighting the good fight not because of excessive pro Dyche sentiments, but because we see opinions that seem very one sided or exclude important factors. Doesn't excuse me being a rude bastard though.
I think he's done a great job 2 seasons running. I think he's done a great job the last 5 games. I think the takeover and us being a premier league club is in a large part down to him.

I don't really care that when it's bad it makes my eyes bleed because for the past few years I've been worried we might not see premier league football for a decade or we might go in to administration or even not exist at all. I think he should be treated like an Everton hero in the worst moments of our history but I'm not massively attached to anyone if we can get someone better

Honestly I can't really stomach people saying they hate him. Not even just his football but him. We should be incredibly grateful for his work here
AjaxAndy
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777Kidnappings wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:24 pm I think he's done a great job 2 seasons running. I think he's done a great job the last 5 games. I think the takeover and us being a premier league club is in a large part down to him.

I don't really care that when it's bad it makes my eyes bleed because for the past few years I've been worried we might not see premier league football for a decade or we might go in to administration or even not exist at all. I think he should be treated like an Everton hero in the worst moments of our history but I'm not massively attached to anyone if we can get someone better

Honestly I can't really stomach people saying they hate him. Not even just his football but him. We should be incredibly grateful for his work here
Exactly, I said it about a week ago but he's been our most important manager since Moyes and has undoubtedly saved us from financial Armageddon.

But some were happy to be relegated whilst Bielsa coached the under 21s instead, and when there's such a gap in opinion then there's not much middle ground to work in.

I do think once he's gone he'll get the respect he deserves for the job he's done here, but I don't think he'll ever get it whilst in charge.
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AjaxAndy wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:33 pm I think it's funny you seem to want to make silly remarks about payroll. You can write eruditely about politics and other intellectual subjects, but your only response to people with a different opinion to you is juvenile which doesn't make much sense.

Also replying to dumb shit like Hoddle apparently talking about Dyche but disguising it as managers from 30 years ago is totally fine, let's not respond challenging that... It's clear what Hoddle was really on about 🤨

Or saying we played so much better last season when literally everyone lost their shit about us being horrific for 3 months last season, to the point it was still being talked about after this season had kicked off... but best not mention that because it's clear WE are the ones with the agenda 🤣

I've even said multiple times Fulham wasn't good enough, happy to get rid of Dyche in the summer. I might argue very one sided viewpoints but to say mine is one sided isn't even correct.

But you know, write some well written insights in the general chat section and leave your clever cap at the door in this one by all means.
Are you alright mate? You seem to be replying to and disagreeing with about 3 people who aren't me.

I didn't reply to the Hoddle stuff or the Overlap video. I haven't made a single comment about it (apart from saying that Jill Scott gets talked over on their videos). So I think that's for someone else's benefit.

I also haven't said we played so much better last season. I have seen that argument somewhere. Might have been @TheRam and/or @superpull making that argument. Wasn't me anyway.

That's not my position. I'll be quite clear about my opinion again, as I have been previously. I am thankful that Dyche has kept us safe, but I don't like or rate him as a manager and I look forward to him leaving at the end of the season. I've said that numerous times. I can't be much clearer or more honest than that. No agendas or hidden meanings.

I don't mind you going in hard at all, so absolutely no need to apologise on that front. It just needs to make some sort of logical sense (ie in response to something I've actually said or suggested).

Try not to take this bit too personally. It's not meant as an attack. It's an observation. You have been responding to any semi-critical post about Dyche for months and months mate. Like almost every single one. It's a bit much. What's going on with that? I get the need to express your opinion and even to defend it staunchly, if you think someone is being wronged or misrepresented but you've been doing so much or it for so long.

Again, go in as hard as you want. I don't mind that in the slightest.
AjaxAndy
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Bluedylan1 wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:51 pm Are you alright mate? You seem to be replying to and disagreeing with about 3 people who aren't me.

I didn't reply to the Hoddle stuff or the Overlap video. I haven't made a single comment about it (apart from saying that Jill Scott gets talked over on their videos). So I think that's for someone else's benefit.

I also haven't said we played so much better last season. I have seen that argument somewhere. Might have been @TheRam and/or @superpull making that argument. Wasn't me anyway.

That's not my position. I'll be quite clear about my opinion again, as I have been previously. I am thankful that Dyche has kept us safe, but I don't like or rate him as a manager and I look forward to him leaving at the end of the season. I've said that numerous times. I can't be much clearer or more honest than that. No agendas or hidden meanings.

I don't mind you going in hard at all, so absolutely no need to apologise on that front. It just needs to make some sort of logical sense (ie in response to something I've actually said or suggested).

Try not to take this bit too personally. It's not meant as an attack. It's an observation. You have been responding to any semi-critical post about Dyche for months and months mate. Like almost every single one. It's a bit much. What's going on with that? I get the need to express your opinion and even to defend it staunchly, if you think someone is being wronged or misrepresented but you've been doing so much or it for so long.

Again, go in as hard as you want. I don't mind that in the slightest.
I know you didn't make those statements, my point was your need to pull up those arguing against those points without also analysing those posting illogical or half fact based opinions on the other side of the coin.

It feels like you're happy to poke holes in one side of the argument whilst ignoring the other sides fallacies.

To answer your question about why I am responding to posts it's quite simply there's a lack of balance to a lot of what's posted, and often it's after every single performance that's not very good. Yet we're a team that's of a standard around 11th - 15th. Teams around that standard don't win 2/3 of their games... so we're really expecting to not win more games than we win, we will play poorly in some of them. People just jump on every loss or poor performance like it's some huge travesty and we should be so much better. Some times that's true, often it's just the reality of being a bottom to lower mid table team.

Then we get mad shit like videos not relating to Dyche or even current football being branded as reflecting badly on him, it's bizarre and shows there's some unwarranted bad sentiment towards the guy. People don't need to like him or rate him, but stuff like that is just weird and very unwarranted.

I'm happy for people to not rate the standard of football, not like his gravelly voice, his press conferences etc etc, but also maybe just balance the opinions with some reflection on the players available (a backline of Young, Keane, Tarks and Mykolenko is very very shit, no one wants to admit that though), or that whilst we aren't playing great we've picked up a good points total lately (3rd highest in the league in the past 4 games).

It just gets very silly at times... and I get people think my defence of Dyche also is in this category but at least I will happily state things like a specific performance not being good enough, or that I'd not be against replacing him with a more progressive manager in the summer.

Fact is he was never a fashionable appointment, it's one that some were willing to tolerate for mid table mediocrity whilst we move to BDM, that acceptance has ran out before we've actually got there largely because he's done a good enough job to make people confident we'll achieve that even if we replaced him today.

My opinion is different to that in regard I think he deserves to see the season out and he's still very hampered, as any manager would be by a multitude of factors, and so I'll accept what he brings providing it continues to move us towards that stability and safety we need as that's the reality of the situation. Things like getting 9 points from 5 games for example imo is him doing his job to an acceptable standard, and we will most likely finish the season on 45-50 points which again is him hitting the brief he was brought in for and everyone wanted given where we were when he took over, and everything that's gone since.
NickNack
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Haters gonna hate.

No point even trying to change that
StirlingBlue
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AjaxAndy wrote: Completely missing the point, they had pace to hurt us because a) they have pace, and b) because we have probably the slowest backline in the league.
Their attacking players were Jiminez, Smith-Rowe, Pereira, Traore and Iwobi.

Of those if only say Traore is actually fast.

Pereira and Iwobi are middling and Jiminez and Smith Rowe are slow.

It’s so normalised now to have low expectations that people are saying we can’t deal with the pace of Jiminez, Iwobi and Smith-Rowe.
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StirlingBlue wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:28 pm Their attacking players were Jiminez, Smith-Rowe, Pereira, Traore and Iwobi.

Of those if only say Traore is actually fast.

Pereira and Iwobi are middling and Jiminez and Smith Rowe are slow.

It’s so normalised now to have low expectations that people are saying we can’t deal with the pace of Jiminez, Iwobi and Smith-Rowe.
All still quicker than any of our back line though, maybe with the exception of Jiminez.
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Pretty sure Iwobi was in the top 3 fastest players in our squad when we had him. Am I mis-remembering that? Backed himself as the fastest in an interview?
sam of the south
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Blimey, wasn’t aware I couldn’t dig the Hoddle interview.

I’m off to Blue Kipper.

Or North Korea.

*laughing crying emoji*

*winking emoji*
Free Agent
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Wish he played at LB instead of Myko at the moment.
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Cracking cross for Mangala. Hes certainly imoroved this year, as has Keane.
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Fantastic signing, unimpeachable again.
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Really turned it around these last couple of months.
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