Dyche - HE'S GONE

[Bob Sacamano]

It's a weird flex this mate

It’s rage bait.

[UnsyisaRhino]

Not getting gaslit into thinking 12th this or next season is some sort of unreasonable expectation.

Perfectly happy for 14th, even 15th, just out of trouble but not doing anything else.

Not happy with this though and I won’t be next season either.

Can’t believe just how far expectations have dropped amongst some of the fanbase. I don’t know how many games people need to see these players are capable of so much better.

At this point so much better is 14th.

A good manager with good recruitment can fly anyone up the league. Hopefully we see that.

I think we have a decent enough core to build from to not be in any trouble next season if we add all the other ingredients.

That’s all. Not in trouble, nobody is expecting europe of anything like that.

Gaslit? I'm loving the drama but it's a bit ott. Expectations should be based on reality, and what's ours?

We've had to sell our best and bring in scraps year on year for what, 3 or 4 consecutive seasons? we've scraped by while selling more and investing less than every single team around us...and we're expected to improve based on what?

What's the stimulus for that change? We're not waiting for a horde of new players to bed in, we didn't buy any real stand out quality or address weakness in many key areas, we're treading water at best.

All of that with a manager that only plays one way, and we're now seeing what happens when that stops working.

I genuinely don't see 5 or 6 teams worse than us.

[eyesalwaysblue]

On sky bet 7/1 to 3/1 second favourite now behind the West Ham manager

That's more like it from this morning, it was alarming, the rumour mill must have got going through the day

[TheRam]

Gaslit? I'm loving the drama but it's a bit ott. Expectations should be based on reality, and what's ours?

We've had to sell our best and bring in scraps year on year for what, 3 or 4 consecutive seasons? we've scraped by while selling more and investing less than every single team around us...and we're expected to improve based on what?

What's the stimulus for that change? We're not waiting for a horde of new players to bed in, we didn't buy any real stand out quality or address weakness in many key areas, we're treading water at best.

All of that with a manager that only plays one way, and we're now seeing what happens when that stops working.

I genuinely don't see 5 or 6 teams worse than us.

As I said, perfectly happy for 14th or 15th just staying away from trouble.

We’re capable of that, surely? New ownership, more active in the market, new manager. I think we can stretch to 12th next season?

Does feel like am going mad on here this season. If I was talking up Europe I’d understand the reaction.

[UnsyisaRhino]

Forest being a prime example

I think it'd be fair to say that the manager is only one of a number of factors that have helped them improve.

I can't disagree that he's changed things, but their spending over the last 4 or 5 years is massive compared to ours.

[UnsyisaRhino]

As I said, perfectly happy for 14th or 15th just staying away from trouble.

We’re capable of that, surely? New ownership, more active in the market, new manager. I think we can stretch to 12th next season?

Does feel like am going mad on here this season. If I was talking up Europe I’d understand the reaction.

Crazy? No, optimistic and over performing? I'd say so based on the squad and manager.

[TheRam]

Crazy? No, optimistic and over performing? I'd say so based on the squad and manager.

Even though it literally happened last season minus the deduction.

This is why I feel like am going mad.

Let’s just leave it.

[UnsyisaRhino]

I'll be gutted if it's not announced he's gone tomorrow like. We've got 3 home matches at Goodison in a row, let us enjoy it ffs.

Agreed.

honestly, I don't think we win any of those now that both the crowd and players seem to have turned on him. We'll be nerves and negative and so will the players.

[Audrey Horne]

Crazy? No, optimistic and over performing? I'd say so based on the squad and manager.

Without the deduction we would have been like 11th last year jesus christ.

Proper weird this 'everton that' grumpy old man shite that so many of our fans revel in.

[UnsyisaRhino]

Even though it literally happened last season minus the deduction.

This is why I feel like am going mad.

Let’s just leave it.

I genuinely think we overperformed, in part due to the way we rallied as a result of the points deduction as an entire club. I'm sure the expected points stato guys showed us getting something like 5 or 6 more points than expected based on xg etc.

We also lost onana, and didn't really replace him with someone who could contribute as much as he did.

Sure.

[UnsyisaRhino]

Without the deduction we would have been like 11th last year jesus christ.

Proper weird this 'everton that' grumpy old man shite that so many of our fans revel in.

Right, and everyone else invested, or changed managers, or both.

Also, thats a bit rich when you look at every post you make on a match day. I guess it's OK to be unhappy about some things, at some times, but not others if it means it doesn't fit your current boogeyman.

Go figure.

[MayorFarnham]

We beat Liverpool last season; should we expect to beat them this season.

[Kerryblueboy]

I think it'd be fair to say that the manager is only one of a number of factors that have helped them improve.

I can't disagree that he's changed things, but they're spending over the last 4 or 5 years is massive compared to ours.

A lot of that forest team were available and considered rejects by some elanga wood cho not world beaters but coached properly to a proper plan getting the results

[AjaxAndy]

Doucoure is key and has been all along, and unfortunately he's half the player he was last season. We can neither press well nor can he chip in with his usual 6+ goals a season.

Dyche understood this and put McNeil there instead with a mixed degree of success, some goal contributions but he can't press like Doucoure of old did so ultimately it wasn't a good substitute. So he put Doucoure back there and again his downgrade this season continues to be an issue.

We've also lost height from set pieces with Onana leaving and neither Garner nor McNeil recently to deliver them.

There's many reasons why we aren't able to play like we did last season, some are on the manager and others are to do with the players available. The biggest issue though is that Doucoure can't do what he did before and we could never win without him... Now even when he's playing we're playing without him, as he was, and Dyche has no idea how to play differently to compensate.

We also had the points deductions last season and a huge us Vs the world mentality that probably elevated our performances at times. We over achieved because we had to, doesn't mean it's repeatable under different circumstances.

One thing that is without argument is none of this really matters as Dyche needs to go and he needs to go now. That's something we can all get behind.

[Shogun]

Not to particularly pick out one point from the above to hammer on (I agree with most) but I just don't really buy the points deduction stuff tbh.

We had two periods of decent form last season.

One with the points deduction in the middle (and we lost to Man United immediately after the actual announcement) where we were playing well before it was announced having beat Bournemouth 3-0, won at West Ham and at Palace whilst we'd drew with Brighton at home. We did win 4 in a row after that United match but that was more down to us just continuing to play well rather than a 'boost' from the points deduction imo.

Then we went 4 months without a win before pulling 5 wins in 7 out of our arses from April.