Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:57 am
It's clearly not what they wanted to do. They wanted to back Dyche to keep us safe this season, and then send him on his way. But his results have been so disastrous and reportedly his attitude has been so bad that their hand has been forced.
Moyes would just be a temporary placeholder (unless he massively overachieves). They just want to keep Prem safety. Imagine they appointed Carsley or Danny Rohl in mid season and we got relegated. It would be disastrous.
None of us want Moyes, but as a temporary fix, it's perfectly understandable.
Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:57 am
It's clearly not what they wanted to do. They wanted to back Dyche to keep us safe this season, and then send him on his way. But his results have been so disastrous and reportedly his attitude has been so bad that their hand has been forced.
Moyes would just be a temporary placeholder (unless he massively overachieves). They just want to keep Prem safety. Imagine they appointed Carsley or Danny Rohl in mid season and we got relegated. It would be disastrous.
None of us want Moyes, but as a temporary fix, it's perfectly understandable.
I understand the thought process of what you're saying, but I couldnt disagree more. Why would Carsley or Rohl be so incompetent that they couldnt get a tune out of this squad, yet we would potentially consider them in 6 months, it doesnt make sense? Moyes stats in his first 6 months arent great, there is more evidence that he will take us down, than the others, as they havent been tested, but we seem to be saying that cause they havent ever been given the chance then they cant do it, its not true.
But its more than that anyway. TFG have an opportunity to show us their direction of travel and a new start, now this might come after 6 months, who knows. I just think its really poor if thats the way they go
Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:57 am
It's clearly not what they wanted to do. They wanted to back Dyche to keep us safe this season, and then send him on his way. But his results have been so disastrous and reportedly his attitude has been so bad that their hand has been forced.
Moyes would just be a temporary placeholder (unless he massively overachieves). They just want to keep Prem safety. Imagine they appointed Carsley or Danny Rohl in mid season and we got relegated. It would be disastrous.
None of us want Moyes, but as a temporary fix, it's perfectly understandable.
"His attitude towards the job accelerated the process" is absolutely damning stuff.
brap2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:06 am
"His attitude towards the job accelerated the process" is absolutely damning stuff.
It is, but it also ties in with what it looked like from outside too. He seemed affronted that we didn't find the total lack of goals and lack of wins as acceptable, and he's clearly taken that attitude to the new owners now as well. Bizarre really.
Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:09 am
Certainly a very small minority at most.
Probably a case of those that feel strongly against it will voice their opinions on here and those that are just o.k with it will not so am not expecting the bed sheets out just yet.
Not to have a go at anyone but every manager we are linked with gets a negative response. We have to admit to ourselves we are not a top club anymore and we can't attract world class managers no matter who are owners are. The club is tainted and will remain so until we are no longer relegation candidates.
Escalator wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:15 am
Probably a case of those that feel strongly against it will voice their opinions on here and those that are just o.k with it will not so am not expecting the bed sheets out just yet.
I don't know if you misinterpreted the tone of my post, but I wasn't suggesting that Moyes will be wildly unpopular like a Benitez.
Just saying that he probably wasn't anyone's dream choice of next manager.
Evertonian418 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:17 am
Not to have a go at anyone but every manager we are linked with gets a negative response. We have to admit to ourselves we are not a top club anymore and we can't attract world class managers no matter who are owners are. The club is tainted and will remain so until we are no longer relegation candidates.
There will always be debate and an evaluation of what people know/dont know etc. I personally dont know a lot about Rohl, but others do, but it would be an intriguing appointment and something that you could probably look for with a bit of excitement?
He may well bomb and be the biggest mistake ever, but he would probably get the backing of the fan base to succeed, if he was seen to be doing the right things, playing with the intent to win game. As you may have seen, I really struggle to get any real hope or excitement over the Dyche/Moyes/Big Sam safe hands approach and the players probably feel the same.
The club simply isn’t in the position to afford a new manager the best opportunity to succeed.
Moyes May feel like a step backwards, but it’s a necessary one, imo.
You can’t just drop a McKenna or a Frank into this situation and expect them to succeed (moot point as you wouldn’t get them midseason, anyway).
Take the above managers; they have:
- stability on and off the pitch
- expertise and decisive decision-makers behind the scenes (board/DoF)
- their clubs are on an upward trajectory (due to the above points). Momentum is massive in football.
- ongoing investment into the club
Unless we get our ducks in a row, we’ll be back here in 6 months time.
I get it though; we’re jaded and we just want to kick-on.
I do find it a bit hypocritical that Moyes recently said he didn't want to be part of a relegation team. Shot himself in the foot there but money talks and it depends what TFG has promised him on the pitch.
I think we have to just accept that if we'd managed to hold off this decision until summer Moyes would't even be considered for the job. As it is we'll probably have to give him an 18 month contract just to get him to accept.
Upside may be when we eventually get our project manager he may be coming in to a steady ship looking forwards.
