Jake O'Brien

[brap2]

It's probably just a symptom of Dyche's very, very risk-averse approach, which obviously has done him well over the years.

Moyes is in a different position where he's come in and has to try and change stuff, the expectation was on him to try and improve things and see what else can be done.

[74Blue]

It's probably just a symptom of Dyche's very, very risk-averse approach, which obviously has done him well over the years.

Moyes is in a different position where he's come in and has to try and change stuff, the expectation was on him to try and improve things and see what else can be done.

Moyes has form for playing people out of position for.longer term gain though too. He played Coleman as a sort of winger to start with and Lescott at Left Back initially, so you can see that he's trying to bring players into the first team and get them minutes without taking unnecessary risks, whilst gradually developing them into the player he'd like them to be.
Coleman learned a hell of a lot from his stint on the wing and it made him a more rounded full back, whilst also giving the back line a bit of extra protection due to naturally being a full back. Lescott also improved as a player, covering at LB, even though the long term plan was for him to develop further as a centre half. Jack Rodwell is another example having used him initially as a defensive midfielder, despite him coming through the youth team set up.as a centre half.

[Kerryblueboy]

Glad to see him get a chance he played well for Lyon last season in Europe and the league couldn’t believe he got no go at all will make mistakes but there is a good player in there

[TheRam]

Knew moyes would get him straight in.

I think he really like this lad and lindstrom so has fitted them into a system which protects them with obrien having two other halves to mop up any mistakes he makes, and lindstrom has a solid base behind him to go forward.

Looks really good on the ball, and very quick for a lad of his size. What an absolute waste playing Keane for him.

He might have been a bit raw but you look at the results and the goals we were conceding at the start of the season and have to think we should have been giving our new centre half those minutes.

[brap2]

It's giving Ben Godfrey under Carlo

[AndSeel]

It's giving Ben Godfrey under Carlo

Good managers improve players.

[Toddacelli]

Considering both Dyche and Moyes were centre halves themselves in their playing days, it's quite surprising how differently they have approached the Jake O'Brien situation. Both are pragmatists by their very nature, but Moyes chooses the path that gives the lad minutes without huge risk, whilst Dyche chose to just pretty much freeze him out completely as soon as he made a mistake or two.

Think Michael Keane gave Dyche somewhat of a known quantity because of his time at Burnley.

[AjaxAndy]

Tbf Keane was really good at the start of the season and was unlucky to be dropped for Branthwaite.

[TheRam]

Tbf Keane was really good at the start of the season and was unlucky to be dropped for Branthwaite.

We conceded 13 goals in our first 4 games.

[Cozzie]

Tbf Keane was really good at the start of the season and was unlucky to be dropped for Branthwaite.

He was garbage.

If Branthwaite is on the pitch that Bournemouth collapse doesn't happen I reckon.

His arse is always the first to go when we concede.

[blueToffee]

I'm going to stick up for Keane a little too. I don't think the mess that was some of our early games was all on Keane and I do think he was mostly ok. I seem to recall a good number of mistakes were on Tarks (highlight maybe being throwing the Newcastle player to the ground for the penalty) and Young (gave away a lot of cheap fouls). Both of whom turned their form around later on, particularly Young who most were ready to put out to pasture but they were both very ropey at the beginning. Plus Keane did at least contribute some goals in that time.

Not saying give him another contract or whatever, but he wasn't the main issue for me at that time.

Branthwaite has helped of course, but so has getting our midfield more solid with Gana/Mangala/Doucoure putting in a lot of running and helping shield the defence better.

[TheRam]

Issues all over the pitch at that time.

But Keane was a big one, along with tarkowski and PSR tim infront of them.

Too many times the rate of goals we concede shoots up when Keane is in the team for me to ignore his impact at the start of the season.

He certainly wasn’t very good. I don’t think he’s been very good for a long time.

[AjaxAndy]

Of course people will say whatever they feel is true, and the goals against was certainly very high... Keane was though one of our best performers over that period and just about the only one who was actually able to progress the ball (highest % completed progressive passes in the team).

Tactics, playing people like Tim, Tarks being shite, Pickford being poor all contributed to the goals against. The Bournemouth loss was a great example of why we conceded too many goals and none of that was on Keane.

I don't want him to stay, he's been overall a bit of a disaster for us, but he deserved his place over O'Brien (who's yet to show any performance level in a back 2 it should be noted).

But like I said people have the stuff they believe and certain players will get a rough ride and blamed for stuff they weren't even at fault for because people don't like them. Understandable that's the way it is with Keane given his time here, even if in this case I think the argument is junk.

[TheRam]

Of course people will say whatever they feel is true, and the goals against was certainly very high... Keane was though one of our best performers over that period and just about the only one who was actually able to progress the ball (highest % completed progressive passes in the team).

Tactics, playing people like Tim, Tarks being shite, Pickford being poor all contributed to the goals against. The Bournemouth loss was a great example of why we conceded too many goals and none of that was on Keane.

I don't want him to stay, he's been overall a bit of a disaster for us, but he deserved his place over O'Brien (who's yet to show any performance level in a back 2 it should be noted).

But like I said people have the stuff they believe and certain players will get a rough ride and blamed for stuff they weren't even at fault for because people don't like them. Understandable that's the way it is with Keane given his time here, even if in this case I think the argument is junk.

Mate, can you pack it in trying to mansplain my opinion to me all the time.

Some of us are willing to change opinions based on what’s infront of them instead of doggedly sticking to them.

Unfortunately Keane come into the team and we shipped a lot of goals.

A lot of reasons for that, Keane playing being one of them.

Big mistake playing him instead of obrien.

[Kerryblueboy]

Remember Keane against Brighton at home stuck in reverse trying to defend he wasn’t terrible but wasn’t good either he is an accident waiting to happen