Sports science dept should sort this (nutrition, exercise periodisation, recovery, supps etc)AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:58 am Will be interesting to see if he can keep up the overall work rate as he looks completely dead on his feet towards the end of games. He's clearly putting in 110% but I'm not sure he has the stamina to do it week in week out over a prolonged period.
That's not a criticism, more a question of whether he'll pick up an injury or just naturally fade in his performance levels when the exertion catches up with him, especially with games coming thick and fast.
Loving the Beto redemption arc either way, he's been invaluable in getting us safe since DCL got injured so whatever happens from here on he's going to be well loved by the supporters.
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Nobody has the stamina to keep this up, it's not possible.AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:58 am Will be interesting to see if he can keep up the overall work rate as he looks completely dead on his feet towards the end of games. He's clearly putting in 110% but I'm not sure he has the stamina to do it week in week out over a prolonged period.
That's not a criticism, more a question of whether he'll pick up an injury or just naturally fade in his performance levels when the exertion catches up with him, especially with games coming thick and fast.
Loving the Beto redemption arc either way, he's been invaluable in getting us safe since DCL got injured so whatever happens from here on he's going to be well loved by the supporters.
I just dunno what we do. Doucoure and Alcaraz maybe.
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You can see the confidence coming out in him now. He's where he wanted to be months ago, you could see the effort but he was so desperate to score he was lashing at everything and putting them in row Z. That goal yesterday was so composed, took a touch, opened his body and lifted it nicely. A few months ago he'd have sliced that with his left foot twenty foot high and wide.
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Doubt he can but we shouldn't be asking him to either. Playing like that he should be getting subbed off with 20 to go each match. Unfortunately we don't currently have anyone to bring onAjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:58 am Will be interesting to see if he can keep up the overall work rate as he looks completely dead on his feet towards the end of games. He's clearly putting in 110% but I'm not sure he has the stamina to do it week in week out over a prolonged period.
That's not a criticism, more a question of whether he'll pick up an injury or just naturally fade in his performance levels when the exertion catches up with him, especially with games coming thick and fast.
Loving the Beto redemption arc either way, he's been invaluable in getting us safe since DCL got injured so whatever happens from here on he's going to be well loved by the supporters.
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Yeah it's a good point, need him to stay injury free until Broja or Chermiti can take over for the last 20 mins.777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 12:05 pm Doubt he can but we shouldn't be asking him to either. Playing like that he should be getting subbed off with 20 to go each match. Unfortunately we don't currently have anyone to bring on
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We've only got 4 matches (including one midweek v Brentford, after United next week) between now and playing the Shite on 2 April (which is also midweek). After that, it's just a match each weekend until the end of the season, so the load should lessen considerably. Especially as Broja and Chermiti hopefully come back into the fold.
I was really pleased when we bought Beto as I'd heard good things, but I was surprised how raw he was. But he has the heart of a lion, knows where the goal is and has come on leaps and bounds. Okay, yeah, he's ungainly but there's much more to his game than just running around bumping into people, hoping for a Niasse-style (sweet prince) goal off the arse.
I remember hearing Henry say that when he was at Arsenal, Wenger told him that to become even better, he had to adjust his game depending on the team-mate. So, to get the best out of himself, he couldn't just treat Bergkamp, Pires, Ljungberg, Wiltord etc. the same and expect the same service from them; he had to adapt his runs and play/receive different passes.
And I feel like this is the level of nuance that Moyes has brought - not just with Beto but the improvement with him has been the most notable, I'd say. We're playing to his strengths without making the team's whole approach about it. Dyche was so hell-bent on making sure we were defensively sound that he just seemed to give up on the other two thirds of the pitch. To say he'd run out of ideas when we're seeing this with the same group of players - only 13 of whom were available yesterday - is an embarrassing indictment (for Dyche) of the gulf between them.
Honestly, I think Merson suggesting Dyche -> Moyes was a sideways move is borderline slander.
I was really pleased when we bought Beto as I'd heard good things, but I was surprised how raw he was. But he has the heart of a lion, knows where the goal is and has come on leaps and bounds. Okay, yeah, he's ungainly but there's much more to his game than just running around bumping into people, hoping for a Niasse-style (sweet prince) goal off the arse.
I remember hearing Henry say that when he was at Arsenal, Wenger told him that to become even better, he had to adjust his game depending on the team-mate. So, to get the best out of himself, he couldn't just treat Bergkamp, Pires, Ljungberg, Wiltord etc. the same and expect the same service from them; he had to adapt his runs and play/receive different passes.
And I feel like this is the level of nuance that Moyes has brought - not just with Beto but the improvement with him has been the most notable, I'd say. We're playing to his strengths without making the team's whole approach about it. Dyche was so hell-bent on making sure we were defensively sound that he just seemed to give up on the other two thirds of the pitch. To say he'd run out of ideas when we're seeing this with the same group of players - only 13 of whom were available yesterday - is an embarrassing indictment (for Dyche) of the gulf between them.
Honestly, I think Merson suggesting Dyche -> Moyes was a sideways move is borderline slander.
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He thrives off through balls. But his hold up play was also much better yesterday.
Works hard, lovely chap, scoring goals and is a handful up top, holding the ball well. We surely couldn't ask for anymore from him, and he is now our number 1 striker. It's what we have wanted since Lukaku left the club - a striker who is clinical. DCL has very rarely been that player, and it has been hugely frustrating.
Lukaku was never any good at holding the ball up either, but it was his off ball running and finishing ability that set him apart. Not saying Beto is on his level - he isn't yet - but there are some excellent signs that he has a good future with us.
Works hard, lovely chap, scoring goals and is a handful up top, holding the ball well. We surely couldn't ask for anymore from him, and he is now our number 1 striker. It's what we have wanted since Lukaku left the club - a striker who is clinical. DCL has very rarely been that player, and it has been hugely frustrating.
Lukaku was never any good at holding the ball up either, but it was his off ball running and finishing ability that set him apart. Not saying Beto is on his level - he isn't yet - but there are some excellent signs that he has a good future with us.
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Maybe... I think it's too early to say if this is a purple patch or his actual level. In Italy he was only a 1 in 3 striker so I'm tempering my expectations somewhat.Gary1878 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:19 pm He thrives off through balls. But his hold up play was also much better yesterday.
Works hard, lovely chap, scoring goals and is a handful up top, holding the ball well. We surely couldn't ask for anymore from him, and he is now our number 1 striker. It's what we have wanted since Lukaku left the club - a striker who is clinical. DCL has very rarely been that player, and it has been hugely frustrating.
Lukaku was never any good at holding the ball up either, but it was his off ball running and finishing ability that set him apart. Not saying Beto is on his level - he isn't yet - but there are some excellent signs that he has a good future with us.
If it's not a purple patch we can keep him and it solves a huge issue of bringing in a quality striker who would eat up a large chunk of what we have available to spend which would be a massive and unexpected bonus.
I think as much as he's changed my opinion of him lately he needs to do it over a prolonged period before I'll trust he's a capable premier league starting striker... But he has really impressed me of late.
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At 27 I don't think he's going to make any great strides in his skills (like he's not going to suddenly have a great first touch) but he absolutely can learn to better utilise the assets he already has.
He's a big lad for sure, but if he can learn to better utilise that strength his touch won't be as big of a problem on the hold up. DCL for example is probably not as strong as Beto but uses his body better to pin people
He's a big lad for sure, but if he can learn to better utilise that strength his touch won't be as big of a problem on the hold up. DCL for example is probably not as strong as Beto but uses his body better to pin people
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Absolutely, although 1 in 3 is decent!AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:48 pm Maybe... I think it's too early to say if this is a purple patch or his actual level. In Italy he was only a 1 in 3 striker so I'm tempering my expectations somewhat.
If it's not a purple patch we can keep him and it solves a huge issue of bringing in a quality striker who would eat up a large chunk of what we have available to spend which would be a massive and unexpected bonus.
I think as much as he's changed my opinion of him lately he needs to do it over a prolonged period before I'll trust he's a capable premier league starting striker... But he has really impressed me of late.
He’s never going to be a world class player but you only have to look at what Chris Wood or Mateta have done to know that you just have to know where the back of the net is to be a very effective player.
If we can get Beto scoring 10-15 a season, that would be absolutely huge for us.
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Nice article in The Athletic:
Beto: Everton's latest cult hero is channeling his inner LeBron James
It is a freezing cold February night in south London and Beto is in his flip flops, because why not?
For a spell after full time on Saturday this is his show, and deservedly so. He has scored again — his fourth in three Premier League matches — and Everton have another win, 2-1, thanks to Carlos Alcaraz’s late goal.
Everyone wants to speak to Beto. His was the name sung by the away supporters long after full time, as Everton players celebrated their 2-1 win over Crystal Palace and he was last off the pitch, staff waiting to high-five him as he leaves.
“Let’s go, let’s go,” he shouts as he heads for the dressing room.
“Beto, Beto, man of the match — my guy,” is the cry from winger Jesper Lindstrom.
Media commitments stretch for over an hour after the final whistle and Beto, a native Portuguese speaker, is tired. Most of them have been done in English. But he is also delighted, visibly so, and is willing to tell anyone who will listen about it.
“I really enjoyed it,” he tells reporters later. “I’m really happy that I could help the team.”
He is even more enthusiastic about the scenes at the end with supporters who have never stopped singing his name. “It is emotional. I can see they love me and I love them back. This is a work of God. It’s really amazing.”
There is an endearing quality about Beto, in his play and when he speaks. People cannot help but root for him.
After Wednesday’s dramatic 2-2 Merseyside derby draw against Liverpool, a game in which he scored the opening goal, he did his own personal lap of honour, charging around the Goodison Park pitch with his socks rolled down, applauding the fans.
At Selhurst Park three days later, he just headed for the away end. He is having fun now, finally.
As ever in sports, it is all about the journey to get here, and Beto’s is as good as anyone’s.
Released by Benfica at age 14, he started his senior career in the amateur leagues around Portuguese capital Lisbon while working part-time at fast-food chain KFC. Successful stints in Portugal’s top flight with Portimonense and at Udinese of Italy’s Serie A saw him join Everton for an initial £21.5million (£21.5m, $27m) in the summer of 2023.
It is fair to say that, until recently, it had not quite worked out for him on Merseyside. Beto never convinced previous manager Sean Dyche, and even when David Moyes returned in early January for a second spell in charge, he was initially on the bench.
A move back to Italian football was, he admits, a distinct possibility in the recent winter window until Everton’s injury problems hit.
“There was a point (where he nearly left), yeah,” he says. “I didn’t want to go, but if it happened, it would have been because I needed to get minutes anywhere. But football is football, things happen quickly, and now I’m here doing this interview. I’m glad I didn’t (go).”
A quirk of fate — in this case, injuries to three of the club’s senior strikers in Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Armando Broja and Youssef Chermiti — handed Beto a lifeline and he has grasped it with both hands. His five goals this season, four of which have been in the past two weeks, came from an expected goals total of 3.32.
Everton, for so long without a clinical edge, now have one.
“It’s just a boost of confidence — all the new staff and my team-mates have given me the confidence to play my game,” Beto says. “That’s what I’m doing and I’m getting rewarded with the goals and the wins.”
But it is not just that.
There was always a school of thought at Everton that Beto always had performances like these in him, he just needed a sustained run in the team to show it.
Moyes and his staff have taken it up a gear since their arrival, doing what the striker calls “special training” with him to help elements of his game. They are playing to his strengths, finding him with passes in-behind the opposition defence so he can utilise his pace, while also working on some of the finer elements of forward play.
Beto’s background and size — he is 6ft 4in (193cm) — means he can look ungainly and clumsy on the ball at times, but recently he has looked more effective as a focal point, tasked with quicker one- and two-touch play. Moyes can be seen coaching him through games, focusing on his positioning.
“I do special training with the coaching staff — holding the ball, finishing,” Beto said. “He (Moyes) just said, ‘Play your game and play tidy and you’re going to help us a lot’.”
Since his return to the starting XI, Everton have taken seven points from the available nine, and scored eight goals in the process. This win over Palace means Moyes has won 13 points in six matches since replacing Dyche — only Arsenal, with 14 from a possible 18, can beat that among the 20 Premier League clubs.
Four of the goals in that time have been by Beto.
After each one, he has brought out NBA star LeBron James’ ‘silencer’ celebration. The move, which sees him raise his knees high as he walks and push both hands towards the floor, was James’ way of hushing doubters.
It carries a similar meaning for Beto.
“It started when I was in the Portuguese fourth division and I just kept going,” he says. “I liked (Christian) Benteke (the former Aston Villa, Liverpool, Palace and Belgium striker who was last season’s MLS Golden Boot winner with D.C. United) and the celebration a lot, and I started doing it.”
It is a reminder for Beto of how far he has come, and the work still needed to cement his place as a Premier League regular.
These past few weeks could not have gone any better and he does not want any of it to end.
“It’s just to prove to myself that I belong here and I’m a Premier League player, he says with characteristic honesty. “I just want to keep going.”
Beto: Everton's latest cult hero is channeling his inner LeBron James
It is a freezing cold February night in south London and Beto is in his flip flops, because why not?
For a spell after full time on Saturday this is his show, and deservedly so. He has scored again — his fourth in three Premier League matches — and Everton have another win, 2-1, thanks to Carlos Alcaraz’s late goal.
Everyone wants to speak to Beto. His was the name sung by the away supporters long after full time, as Everton players celebrated their 2-1 win over Crystal Palace and he was last off the pitch, staff waiting to high-five him as he leaves.
“Let’s go, let’s go,” he shouts as he heads for the dressing room.
“Beto, Beto, man of the match — my guy,” is the cry from winger Jesper Lindstrom.
Media commitments stretch for over an hour after the final whistle and Beto, a native Portuguese speaker, is tired. Most of them have been done in English. But he is also delighted, visibly so, and is willing to tell anyone who will listen about it.
“I really enjoyed it,” he tells reporters later. “I’m really happy that I could help the team.”
He is even more enthusiastic about the scenes at the end with supporters who have never stopped singing his name. “It is emotional. I can see they love me and I love them back. This is a work of God. It’s really amazing.”
There is an endearing quality about Beto, in his play and when he speaks. People cannot help but root for him.
After Wednesday’s dramatic 2-2 Merseyside derby draw against Liverpool, a game in which he scored the opening goal, he did his own personal lap of honour, charging around the Goodison Park pitch with his socks rolled down, applauding the fans.
At Selhurst Park three days later, he just headed for the away end. He is having fun now, finally.
As ever in sports, it is all about the journey to get here, and Beto’s is as good as anyone’s.
Released by Benfica at age 14, he started his senior career in the amateur leagues around Portuguese capital Lisbon while working part-time at fast-food chain KFC. Successful stints in Portugal’s top flight with Portimonense and at Udinese of Italy’s Serie A saw him join Everton for an initial £21.5million (£21.5m, $27m) in the summer of 2023.
It is fair to say that, until recently, it had not quite worked out for him on Merseyside. Beto never convinced previous manager Sean Dyche, and even when David Moyes returned in early January for a second spell in charge, he was initially on the bench.
A move back to Italian football was, he admits, a distinct possibility in the recent winter window until Everton’s injury problems hit.
“There was a point (where he nearly left), yeah,” he says. “I didn’t want to go, but if it happened, it would have been because I needed to get minutes anywhere. But football is football, things happen quickly, and now I’m here doing this interview. I’m glad I didn’t (go).”
A quirk of fate — in this case, injuries to three of the club’s senior strikers in Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Armando Broja and Youssef Chermiti — handed Beto a lifeline and he has grasped it with both hands. His five goals this season, four of which have been in the past two weeks, came from an expected goals total of 3.32.
Everton, for so long without a clinical edge, now have one.
“It’s just a boost of confidence — all the new staff and my team-mates have given me the confidence to play my game,” Beto says. “That’s what I’m doing and I’m getting rewarded with the goals and the wins.”
But it is not just that.
There was always a school of thought at Everton that Beto always had performances like these in him, he just needed a sustained run in the team to show it.
Moyes and his staff have taken it up a gear since their arrival, doing what the striker calls “special training” with him to help elements of his game. They are playing to his strengths, finding him with passes in-behind the opposition defence so he can utilise his pace, while also working on some of the finer elements of forward play.
Beto’s background and size — he is 6ft 4in (193cm) — means he can look ungainly and clumsy on the ball at times, but recently he has looked more effective as a focal point, tasked with quicker one- and two-touch play. Moyes can be seen coaching him through games, focusing on his positioning.
“I do special training with the coaching staff — holding the ball, finishing,” Beto said. “He (Moyes) just said, ‘Play your game and play tidy and you’re going to help us a lot’.”
Since his return to the starting XI, Everton have taken seven points from the available nine, and scored eight goals in the process. This win over Palace means Moyes has won 13 points in six matches since replacing Dyche — only Arsenal, with 14 from a possible 18, can beat that among the 20 Premier League clubs.
Four of the goals in that time have been by Beto.
After each one, he has brought out NBA star LeBron James’ ‘silencer’ celebration. The move, which sees him raise his knees high as he walks and push both hands towards the floor, was James’ way of hushing doubters.
It carries a similar meaning for Beto.
“It started when I was in the Portuguese fourth division and I just kept going,” he says. “I liked (Christian) Benteke (the former Aston Villa, Liverpool, Palace and Belgium striker who was last season’s MLS Golden Boot winner with D.C. United) and the celebration a lot, and I started doing it.”
It is a reminder for Beto of how far he has come, and the work still needed to cement his place as a Premier League regular.
These past few weeks could not have gone any better and he does not want any of it to end.
“It’s just to prove to myself that I belong here and I’m a Premier League player, he says with characteristic honesty. “I just want to keep going.”
