Beto

[bigtonyblue]

And buy what. If beto isn't a 10 top striker then we don't have 1. So we sell beto we probably need to buy 3 strikers in the summer

I'd trust Moyes to get someone better in if we got back what we paid for Beto, no clue who, that's not my job , I'm just going on what I see, Beto is bang average who's just on a little run of late, someone offers the 25m or whatever we splashed out and I'd say sound, thank you very much

[Cereal Killer]

I'd trust Moyes to get someone better in if we got back what we paid for Beto, no clue who, that's not my job , I'm just going on what I see, Beto is bang average who's just on a little run of late, someone offers the 25m or whatever we splashed out and I'd say sound, thank you very much

Moyes is awful buying strikers

[777Kidnappings]

I'd trust Moyes to get someone better in if we got back what we paid for Beto, no clue who, that's not my job , I'm just going on what I see, Beto is bang average who's just on a little run of late, someone offers the 25m or whatever we splashed out and I'd say sound, thank you very much

But surely it's not wise to be trying to sign 3 strikers in 1 window?? 25m isn't a lot. 25m probably gets you bang average

[AjaxAndy]

I think Beto seems to need regular starts to find his form, his performances have been night and day from under Dyche but not just purely from how we use him.

Would I be comfortable with him being out main striker next season? Honestly I just don't know... As someone else said, if he's not scoring he's not a huge amount of use, so would we be able to justify him being up there for the maybe 25ish games a season where he probably won't score if he reverts back to a 1 in 3 striker?

I'd accept it if he was a 20 goal a season striker because goals win you games, but it's highly unlikely he continues to score at anything like his current rate.

I'd probably keep him for another season either way tbh, which is some turnaround for my opinion on him... I'd like to see what he could do with better players around him in terms of passing and creativity than Harrison and Doucoure, but I'd probably also bring someone else in just because he may well revert back to being shite at some point.

[TheRam]

Being a 1 in 3 striker is good btw.

That’s 13 goals across a season. Not many strikers score more than that.

In terms of goals per minute he’s a solid 1 in 2 guy.

I think he could be the main man and be totally fine but the end of the season is a better time to judge.

[AjaxAndy]

Being a 1 in 3 striker is good btw.

That’s 13 goals across a season. Not many strikers score more than that.

In terms of goals per minute he’s a solid 1 in 2 guy.

I think he could be the main man and be totally fine but the end of the season is a better time to judge.

If you're purely judging a striker on goals it is, but his all round play hampers you in the other 2/3 of the games... That can't be ignored.

[TheRam]

If you're purely judging a striker on goals it is, but his all round play hampers you in the other 2/3 of the games... That can't be ignored.

His hold up play has been very good in the last couple of games.

Definitely has more to him than just scoring goals.

[AjaxAndy]

His hold up play has been very good in the last couple of games.

Definitely has more to him than just scoring goals.

It's been a lot better but it's not great still. I love his attitude and desire, but he still can't flick a ball on to save his life and heads it back to halfway line, he still kicks it out of play for no reason, he still turns the wrong way once he gets it under control 50% of the time.

He's currently in a purple patch that's not sustainable and I just don't think a team with top half aspirations can carry someone who once the purple patch disappears is not premier league quality with his all round game.

However I'd give it a go despite that tbh, he's probably done enough to deserve a chance next season here... But I think it's a gamble and we'd need someone else in even if it's a loan deal in case the gamble back fires.

[Goaljira]

If you're purely judging a striker on goals it is, but his all round play hampers you in the other 2/3 of the games... That can't be ignored.

So the two extremes are DCL who does the rest alright, but can't score. And now we've got Beto who's not great at the target man play, but is showing signs.

I dont think theres any arguments over which is better for the team. Goals win games.

Every week we keep saying 'but he can't keep scoring at this rate' - why? We're creating good chances now, so he's going to get 2 or 3 chances in most games. If he only needs to score 1 out of 7 chances over 3 games to maintain a 1 in 3 record, and from what he's shown there's nothing to say he couldn't do that?

And it's not like the way we're playing to accommodate him is preventing the team from scoring. Doucoure's got a few, Alcaraz scored in his absence, Lindstrom and Harrison should probably have had at least one over this spell of games. This isn't like before when we'd get 1 chance in a game and whoever it fell to had to score it else we're not getting a goal that day.

[AjaxAndy]

So the two extremes are DCL who does the rest alright, but can't score. And now we've got Beto who's not great at the target man play, but is showing signs.

I dont think theres any arguments over which is better for the team. Goals win games.

Every week we keep saying 'but he can't keep scoring at this rate' - why? We're creating good chances now, so he's going to get 2 or 3 chances in most games. If he only needs to score 1 out of 7 chances over 3 games to maintain a 1 in 3 record, and from what he's shown there's nothing to say he couldn't do that?

And it's not like the way we're playing to accommodate him is preventing the team from scoring. Doucoure's got a few, Alcaraz scored in his absence, Lindstrom and Harrison should probably have had at least one over this spell of games. This isn't like before when we'd get 1 chance in a game and whoever it fell to had to score it else we're not getting a goal that day.

The sample size is really small though and we're using a crazy purple patch to judge his potential longevity as a starter, so it's fair imo to question if it's worth sticking with him longer term. Especially when it seems he needs to be starting rather than an impact sub or rotation option to be effective.

Like I said though in fairness to the guy he's producing and I'd be tempted to give him next season with a decent backup option if he tails off to see if he can cut it over a full season as a premier league starter.

[Bluebridge]

Basically it’s his shirt til the end of the season now, let’s see if it’s flash in the pan or if he is a bagger, I think he is with the correct service, which is what he’s getting. And his overall game is improving with each passing game. My hope is get Chermiti fit and give Beto 60-70 minutes and the give Chermiti a run out to build up his minutes and see what he’s about. If DCL does get fit then I’d give him third choice status now we’re all but safe.

[74Blue]

Basically it’s his shirt til the end of the season now, let’s see if it’s flash in the pan or if he is a bagger, I think he is with the correct service, which is what he’s getting. And his overall game is improving with each passing game. My hope is get Chermiti fit and give Beto 60-70 minutes and the give Chermiti a run out to build up his minutes and see what he’s about. If DCL does get fit then I’d give him third choice status now we’re all but safe.

DCL is finished at Everton. He rejected a new deal months ago. He's made his bed, let him fucking rot. He can go get splinters on some other fucker's bench next season.

[NickNack]

Don’t disagree with leaving him on the bench if he’s going but I’d rather wish the lad well personally (as long as it’s not against us)

[brap2]

DCL is finished at Everton. He rejected a new deal months ago. He's made his bed, let him fucking rot. He can go get splinters on some other fucker's bench next season.

Given us the best years of his career. Put his body on the line time and time again, scored massive goals for us, including saving us from relegation AND beating the shite, and damaged himself permanently for the cause.

He's ready to move on. All these years and he's never had a song. It just didn't click with the fans here. Maybe he could have thumped his chest a bit more, maybe he could have acted the hard man, done less fashion I'm sure would have helped.

Fact is he's ready to move on and so are the fans, but there's absolutely no need for this kind of attitude towards him.

[TheRam]

Given us the best years of his career. Put his body on the line time and time again, scored massive goals for us, including saving us from relegation AND beating the shite, and damaged himself permanently for the cause.

He's ready to move on. All these years and he's never had a song. It just didn't click with the fans here. Maybe he could have thumped his chest a bit more, maybe he could have acted the hard man, done less fashion I'm sure would have helped.

Fact is he's ready to move on and so are the fans, but there's absolutely no need for this kind of attitude towards him.

Any player seeing their contact out in this way will not be popular amongst fans.